Jesse Ventura's Show - JFK

[lrs]

Did anyone see this?
This has been an area of interest of mine.
Most of the information was stuff I had already read.
After reading everything I could, over approximately 10 years, I had more questions than answers.
2 questions I had:
- where was George H Bush on 11/22/1963, at the time of the shooting. It is known he was in that area, I believe he gave a chamber of commerce speech in Tyler that day.
- where was Peter Jennings, same date
I got the answer about Peter Jennings, while watching a PBS documentary about the assassination.  The documentary showed an old news clip from that day. The broadcaster stated something along the lines, " Here is a fellow journalist from Canada who has come down to provide news coverage ".  There was my answer, Peter Jennings was in Dallas.
Jesse Ventura's show brought to light something about a picture I had seen.  There is a photograph taken in front of the school book depository, just after the shooting. It's an old black and white photo, and enlarged becomes grainy.  One of the individuals does bear a resemblance to George H Bush.  However it is too grainy to conclusively ID that individual.

I don't claim to know what all happened that day.
But I don't think the human has been born that can do what LHO was supposed to have done.
As he claimed, I think he was a patsy.

[Pat/Rick]

Have never seen ventura's show.Even if I was to be alive when the JFK story was released I don't know if I'd believe it. Something about trust and gov't just not meshing. 

[GatCat]

1) If you are implying that Bush was involved, AND was present, you need mental help, IMO. Why, oh why, would anyone who masterminds the most serious crime possible be present when it goes down
2) If Oswald was a "Patsy", why did he murder Officer Tibbet??? Numerous witnesses, etc.
3) If Oswald was a "Patsy", why was he "allowed" to live several days, giving him the chance to "blow the whistle"
4) If Jack Ruby was involved in a conspiracy, rather then acting on his own impulses/oppertunity. why was he "allowed" to live for years.
5) The longest shot ( head shot ) was 88 yards, on a target going very nearly directly away ( no lead needed ). With a scoped rifle, from a rest,
    by a trained marksman, is a SIMPLE shot, for crying out loud.
Read the books by Gerald Postom (sp?), Mark Furharm ( sp?), and Vince Bugliosi. In the nearly half-century since it happened, NOT ONE credible piece of evidence has been provided to indicate anything other the LHO acting alone. As far as Jesse Ventura goes, I think all the steroids he took has long ago affected what little brain he had.
Kook !!!
Mark

[williamlayton]

If you really want the truth---Dallas happened that day.
Blessings

[lrs]

g.c.
If you actually believe LHO could have fired 3 accurate shots, with the military surplus scoped rifle, at a moving target, in less than 7 seconds, you must be a very trusting individual.
I myself once was, but not so much any more.
Have you ever fired at a moving target with a scoped rifle. It ain't an easy shot. 
Last time I heard, about 80% of Americans do not believe the Warren Commission report. 
You can believe whatever you choose.  But it sounds like you have not done any research or reading that would challenge what you already think you know.
When I started doing my own reading, I did not know where it was going to lead.  I just kept on, until I could find pieces of the puzzle that fit.
The end result was very discouraging.
In my opinion, the behind the scenes story associated with JFK did not begin or end on 11/22/1963.  But it continues to this day.

[GatCat]

lrs;
Yes, the shots could easily have been made, they have been duplicated, on tape, using identical rifles, numerous times, by numerous folks. The Carcano is a mild recoiling rifle. LHO was observed by folks, including his wife, dry firing his rifle, working the action, etc. etc. Yes, I've shot at moving objects, last one was a black bear, fast walking away away from me, at a later, lazer-ranged 307 yards, with an improvised rest ( spur of the moment ). Actually, since I was elevated above the bear ( hillside ), it was not too different from LHO, other then it was nearly 4 times the range. Scope was 4X, rifle, not that it matters, was an NEF in .280 . DRN.
Also, just so it doesn't appear that I think LHO was a super-shot, he did miss with his first, most likely deflected by tree branches.
To me, no offense meant to anyone, those who insist on overlooking facts are like folks who insist that OJ Simpson was "set up" ( for the murders, not necessarilly the Nevada beef !). Like I mentioned, the JFK asassination has been the most investigated crime in history. Everyone who has thoroughly investigated it as a crime, rather then with emotion, or agenda, has reached the same conclusion. The evidence is simply overwhelming. LHO acted alone. Sorry.
But, speculation does make for interesting conversation.
Mark

[Goatwhiskers]

"There was another shooter on the grassy knoll, we never walked on the moon, Elvis ain't dead, you ain't goin' crazy it's all in your head."  Goatwhiskers

[lrs]

I don't believe the human has lived who could have done the shooting LHO was supposed to have done. I have watched TV documentaries regarding the JFK assassination, all biased toward LHO being the lone gunman. If there was a tape of anyone, anywhere, successfully duplicating the shooting, they would have had shown it.
I have read that many have tried, including Carlos Hathcock, and were unable to do so. 
I have lived my life in the area of guns, shooting, and hunting.  I have never talked anyone who thought LHO could have acted alone.
Remember, there are 2 official government reports, the Warren Commission report and the House Select Subcommittee on Assassinations report in the 1970's.
The House Select Subcommittee concluded,  "scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy." It added that "on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

By the way Elvis is dead, AND we did put a man on the moon.
In addition, those who have questioned the Warren Commission report, or that LHO was the lone shooter, have tried to be discredited by using similar remarks.
Nice try but it don't work.

[GatCat]

One final comment by me, only in the interest of conversation...The House Select Subcommittee was presented, at the last minute, "evidence" by a group involving  "accustic evidence"...the Subcommittee took the "evidence" at full value, hence their conclusion. The "experts" who presented it have since been discredited by better, proven science. Their "evidence" required the motorcycle officer whose mike was stuck open, to have been in a certain area, quite small, and it has since been proven that the officer was far away from the location needed for their ( flawed ) conclusion. Again, they were acting on their suspicion, looking for a conclusion that supported their theory, and twisted the acustics to support their desired conclusion. Good, science has completely discredited them.
The film involving the duplication of the shooting was done by an Aussie crew. They used a similar Carcano carbine, used new-old-stock Winchester ammo, same as LHO. This is important, because the 6.5 Carcano used a slightly larger diameter bullet then other 6.5's, and the old WInchester ammo is of the proper diameter, as is the new Hornady ammo. Using the proper bullets give far better accuracy then other, "generic" 6.5 Carcano ammo.
Also, using the NOS Winchester ammo, they were able to duplicate the "magic bullet" trajectory through JFK, through Connelly, and breaking the skin on his thigh ( or was it wrist, I forget ). Anyway, do some U-Tube searching, you should be able to find it, or, if it is not on U-Tube, a google search should show up where to buy it.....it is an eye-opener. I am much like you, I"m 60, been around guns, hunters, shooters, etc. Career L.E.,  interacted with folks in military, etc. Those I[ve talked to about the JFK shooting conclude LHO acted alone, if they have given it any thorough looking-into. Sometimes, over a cold one, someone will pipe up " the mafia did it", then someone else will say " the cubans", someone might say ( if they have seen the Oliver Stone flick ) "the CIA did it", and on and on it goes. BUT,  when asked for any type of evidence to support their theory, they come up empty. Mark

[lrs]

I will try to find the youtube film you describe.  I do not have an agenda, other than to determine for myself what really took place. 
Still, there were a LOT of unusual goings on that day.

[lrs]

I have already seen it 

Still, if someone, anyone, anywhere has been able to duplicate the shooting, hey, I'm open minded.
Some might wonder about the state of Jesse Ventura's mind.
Still this TV show did at least investigate what happened. 
If we had anything resembling a legitimate press corps in this country, THEY would have been asking these questions long time ago.

[gypsyman]

If any of you want a different veiw on the JFK assisination, read the book Mortal Error by Bonar Mennagar. Another perspective, and, having been around guns my whole life, and seeing a few strange things happen with them, a different possiblilty. gypsyman

[lrs]

I did not read the book, but checked out the premise the book is based on. I'm personally not inclined to go along with it, but who knows?
I'm kind of a big picture guy, I tend to look for what pieces of the puzzle fit together.
Jesse Ventura's show tended to follow the general lines of what many of those who have studied this think.
Lone gunman theory is at best, barely plausible.  I do mean barely, and that is being generous.
If what this show depicts is along the lines of the truth, it is chilling.  It would indicate our country is not governed the way we think it is. 
The history of the United States after JFK's assassination, up to, including and especially modern times, do little to indicate otherwise.

[buckeye509]

Why is the entire report from the Warren Comminsion still under wraps? BTW President Gerald ford, then a lowly Rep from MI, was on the Warren commission. I don't think LHO was the lone gun.

[lrs]

There is so much that can be added.  It's hard to decide where do you start.
For example, Gerald Ford beating Ronald Reagan in 1976 for the GOP presidential nominee.
Then in 1980, Ronald Reagan stated at the GOP in a speech, at the GOP convention, he was not going to have anyone who is a member of any secret society, serve in his cabinet.
When Ronald Reagan came back to accept the nomination a short time later, his running mate was to be George Bush.
It is my belief, the only U.S. President we have had since JFK, who was not part of this group, was Ronald Reagan.
If you have some time on your hands, read up on John Hinckley Jr, and who his father was.

[badbear]

  How many people knew that a guy named Dr. Red Duke was Chief of truma surgery at Parkland Hospitol in 1963 ? Dr Duke used to host a medical show on PBS stations for several years. Dr Duke was from Texas and was one of the top Doctors in his field in the 1960's
  I had the honor of meeting him in the early 80's in Nashville, Tennessee at the Opreyland Hotel where he was a speaker for a convention. I had heard that Dr. Duke was on duty the day President Kennedy and Governor Connley were brought to Parkland Hospitol after the shooting. I  was able to talk to Dr. Duke after his talk and asked him about this. He was very open about it. He said he was in fact there and notified of the shootings and that they were on the way in. He arrived in the Emergency room moments after thier arrival. Checked on the President first, saw there was nothing that could be done to save him. Another Doctor was preparing to do cut a opening for a trach tube on him. He said he told him it would be useless as the President was reflex breathing only. That there was three shots visible to his body. He asked me if I was knowledgble of gunshot entrance and exit wounds from deer hunting. I was. He said there was a small what appeared to be .22 cal entrance wound to the front throat. a entrance wound from a large cal. rifle to the forehead, this had exited the rear of the head removing a large portion of skull and brain. That there was a large exit wound in the front chest (sucking chest wound) that was what appeared to be from a large cal. rifle shot entering from his back. He said he then went to check on Governer Connely. He stated that there was no way a single shooter did this and he felt that there was a minimun of three shooters and four shots fired. He stated he was never called to testify before the Warren Commision and was glad he was not. He said that his name never appeared on any of the offical reports. He stated that later he happened to be on duty and had to work on Lee Harvey Oswald when he was brought in. He stated he had no idea of who shot the President but he doubted if Oswald ever fired a shot.

[freetrapper]

Wh y did they seal the report from the investigation for 100 years. Who are they protecting?

[eastbank]

jesse lied about his service in the special forces before being forced to recant, after men who were there called him out on it. so i would not believe jesse v. on any thing.  this is just a way for jesse v. to make money off of gulible people who drink to much coffee and stay up all night.  do i think we will ever know every thing about the JFK killing, NO. eastbank.

[badbear]

TMZ,
  Have you ever read of all the witnesses who saw and reported info on the shootings who ended up dead ? There was a hooker who was brought into the hospitol on drugs caliming to have been at a party and heard "them" talking about plans to kill the President. This was passed on by a doctor to authorities. She was killed a few days later from a hit and run accident.
  A used auto dealer stated Oswald was not the man he saw shoot Tippet and run. He went home and the light at his door had been unscrewed when he started to fix it he was shot in the back of the head. Didn't kill him but he quickley forgot everything he saw. I belive if memory serves me right about a dozen persons with knowledge contray to the Warren Comission findings ended up dead from various means, figure the odds. Look at the people who served on the Warren comission and how they prospered afterwards. Gerald Ford went on to become President.
 Then the sealing of the findings for 100 years. All will be dead who had anything to do with it by then.

[336SC]

I too have misgivings about our government not wanting us to know the real truth about JFK.  However, where I
used to work, we built some equipment for the Dallas Morning News and had to install it.  One of the guys who went to Dallas to do the istallation is an avid hunter.  His comment to me when he returned from Dallas and did a
tour of the assination site said this, "A farm kid with a 30-30 lever action could have pulled off the shots made on
JFK that day".  He said the assination spot was really small and shots had to have been close.  I like many just wonder why the Warren Commission chose to ignore anyone's testimony that did not agree with their contention
that LHO was the lone gunman.
336SC

[ThomD]

"If you actually believe LHO could have fired 3 accurate shots, with the military surplus scoped rifle, at a moving target, in less than 7 seconds, you must be a very trusting individual."

The first time I heard this debunked was when they had a side shoot at a Second Chance bowling pin event.  They set up a reproduction of the situation, and many of the shooters present had no problem reproducing the shots.  Though I did think at the time that if they had set up a Pin shoot back in '62 nobody present then would have been able to do what was done that day at the main shoot.  People do get better.

If the shot was really 80 yards, I would bet 20 bucks on Howard Hill making the shot with a longbow.

One has to think outside the box on this stuff.  It could be a complete fluke he hit Kenedy, then people trying to redo it, would all say that is impossible.  Jim Cirrillo the famous NYCPD gunfighter, made a series of shots in his first shootout, that pistoleros have tried to reproduce on paper for decades, they rarely succeed.  Similar thinking applies to many of the points.  People often say why would someone do such and such, if you have been in law enforcement, you know people do stupid stuff that is not subject to logic, all the time.

The  same stuff applies to the doubters.  The magic bullet (now that seems like nonsense) allows one to conclude there wasn't a second shooter.  There could still have been one. And the absence of a second shooter does not mean no conspiracy, it just means you can avoid that necesarry conclusion.

I did once look up '46s CV and he wasn't particularly involved in public life at the time.  He wasn't CIA dude until the Ford admin, I think.  But he isn't required to make a conspiracy if there was one.

[us920669]

Papa Bush's old man Prescott was deeply involved with Allied intelligence during WW II, which I think was a very fine thing to do.  He had business dealings with Germany before the war, giving him all sorts of qualifications, and of course with that hanging over him FDR's boys could run him like a yo-yo once the war broke out. Still, I don't think Bush was involved with the assassination.

Oswald could have made the shot, just like I could make a hole in one the first time I teed up at Augusta, but for something that important better plans would have been made.

I looked through some back pages and I didn't see anything else on this.  Is it possible people haven't beat it half to death already?  Maybe we need a new thread - Who did it?  I had more respect for Jesse Venture before I saw one of his shows.  I don't think he looks for answers as much as tries to create more questions, just to sell his show.

[Forestclimber]

I've been to the Texas Schoolbook Depository and looked out of the very window that Oswald shot out of.  I've also seen trained riflemen shoot.  It's very possible (In my opinion.).

[sidewinder319]

It is also a known fact that.  The following fall LBJ was going deer hunting.  He was  damn upset that LHO had not returned his rifle. Now this is a fact, its the truth.

[us920669]

I had a Carcano too, not the 6.5 but the 7.35 - 65? - I can never remember.  It was supposed to be my first deer rifle, but it was such a POS that dad real quick fixed me up with a British Enfield, with which I took a deer (in 1963 by the way).  Those were the days you could pull a surplus rifle out of a 50 gallon drum for a couple of bucks.  Carcanos were all over the surplus market, meaning governments stuck with them were dumping them as quickly as possible.  Some of the minty ones were never issued because they failed basic inspections and never should have been fired.

We always focus on the firearms aspects of the case, but there were huge defects in the whole Kennedy assassination story.  Just about everybody at the time agreed.

[lrs]

I would ask that you look at the big picture, even up to today's date, then start asking yourself some hard questions.