Anybody seen the ACLU lately ?....

[yellowtail3]

Do we still believe it is the "Christian" thing to do..backing the ACLU in it's efforts to defend the abortuariues ?

To get an answer that matters, you'll have to find someone who believes that backing the ACLU in it's efforts to defend the abortuariues is the Christian thing to do. Address the question to them, and... let us know what you get?

[powderman]

To get an answer that matters, you'll have to find someone who believes that backing the ACLU in it's efforts to defend the abortuariues is the Christian thing to do. Address the question to them, and... let us know what you get?



yt. You are the one backing these scum and by doing so support their  policies, he asked the right person, YOU.
IRONGLOW. I knew these butchers made thousands of $ for every baby they murdered but I never knew it was that much. No wonder they encourage women to murder their children. I wonder if these butchers tithe to the butcher shops??? POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

yt. You are the one backing these scum and by doing so support their  policies...

That's not true, powderpuff, but I'm gettin' strong a strong impression that you're not interested in the truth if it doesn't line up with your ideology & neat little categories. I understand that's probably easier for you than thinking , but... who am I to challenge your coping techniques?

[Dixie Dude]

I know as a Christian we are supposed to be the salt of the earth, to make life palatable.  I also know you can't clean up a dirty fish pond except by catching the fish out of the pond on fish at a time.  Salvation is one person at a time, but we are also supposed to be salt to keep the world out of caos. 

[ironglow]

YT:
      Those who rooted for and encouraged Hitler during WW2, were also part of the holocaust..because they were 'enablers' even if in a minor way. In your posts numbered 3,6,8,28,34,58, and 91, you endorse the ACLU.
        Now, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Pol Pot and Jack the Ripper may have had some endearing parts to their personalities...but i would not give them a general endoesement, such as you have given to the ACLU.
  
I don't know what brand of Christianity you follow, but it appears  your LIBERAL motives take precedence and have assumed the driver's seat.

[powderman]

yt. I spoke the truth. You openly support these scum and in doing so support all of their policies. A lot of folks call themselves Christians but blindly vote for the dems. The dumcrap party platform endorses the killing of babies for birth control and supports gay marriage and promotes homosexuality. You tell me, are these people really Christians since they support a party that encourages sin and immorality??? POWDERMAN. 

[guzzijohn]

For those of you who equate abortion with murder answer this question:
Lets say that you were inside a store, you are armed and someone comes in and starts shooting people, would you fire back to stop the murder? If yes, why are you not directly interfering by shooting the doctors/staff at a clinic that performs abortions? According to many of you both are murder.
GuzziJohn

[yellowtail3]

For those of you who equate abortion with murder answer this question:
Lets say that you were inside a store, you are armed and someone comes in and starts shooting people, would you fire back to stop the murder? If yes, why are you not directly interfering by shooting the doctors/staff at a clinic that performs abortions? According to many of you both are murder.
GuzziJohn

Don't encourage them, Guzzi... I'm pro-life and don't like abortion, but let's not encourage the more ideological (and unbalanced) of our brethren to start shooting... because they just might.

[DDZ]

For those of you who equate abortion with murder answer this question:
Lets say that you were inside a store, you are armed and someone comes in and starts shooting people, would you fire back to stop the murder? If yes, why are you not directly interfering by shooting the doctors/staff at a clinic that performs abortions? According to many of you both are murder.
GuzziJohn

So now we are going to compare apples with oranges.
By law you can stop the killing by shooting the person that is committing the heinous crime of shooting innocent people. The shooter has waived his right to life by killing innocent people. Now if someone would shoot an abortion doctor they would most likely spend the rest of their life in prison, because by law abortions are legal. Just because this nation has made murder legal by abortion, does not make it something else besides murder. Abortion is called abortion, because it just sounds more pleasant than murder.
Yes Guzzi, both are murder, its just that murder by abortion is legal. We can't just shoot abortion doctors, but we can do everything we can, under the law to stop the murder of unborn children.
Let me ask you a question. When do you think a baby becomes a human? If its after it is born, what is it inside the mothers womb?    

[yellowtail3]

yt. I spoke the truth. You openly support these scum and in doing so support all of their policies.  

Are you an idiot, powderman, or just pretending? You apparently have no ability to reason beyond sloganeering. Do you vote Repub? Do you then support every single thing every Repub supports? One could just as easily substitute Democrat, same question. Do you agree with anything the Dems do? You do? Okay... does that then make you a San Francisco rump bandit? Are you getting the picture?

It is no doubt harder to  think about things, instead of just categorizing folks as Enemy or Friend... but give it a try, your life will be richer for it.

only 13 days & a wake-up 'til muzzleloading...

[billy_56081]

For those of you who equate abortion with murder answer this question:
Lets say that you were inside a store, you are armed and someone comes in and starts shooting people, would you fire back to stop the murder? If yes, why are you not directly interfering by shooting the doctors/staff at a clinic that performs abortions? According to many of you both are murder.
GuzziJohn

Guz, if I were on the jury for the guy that sent George the baby killer Tiller to hell for murdering babies I would have voted not guilty.

[Dixie Dude]

At what time in gestation does a human fertilized egg become human. 

1) According to evolution, science, etc, (no religion involved) it is at conception for ALL sexually reproducing animals, that the species replecates itself and passes its genes on.  A human fertilized egg cannot be anything but human, no other animal.

2) According to the three western religions, new life begins at conception.  This is Muslims, Christians, and Jews. 

So, according to evolutionary science and religion of 2/3's of the worlds people, abortion is killing a human life whether inside the womb or in a test tube. 

So also at 6 weeks, when a woman first finds out she is pg, the baby has brain waves and a heartbeat.  At 3-4 months a preme can live outside the womb. 

Where do you draw the line, like I said even in European countries late term abortions are illegal, usually after 5 months, because 85% of babies can live outside the womb after 5 months. 


We at least need to stop abortions after 5 months.  Even common sense dictates that. 

[powderman]

Guzzi. DDZ said it well, one is legal, the other is not. A while back a man murdered a baby butcher in his church. The butcher was allowed to be a deacon, the church knowing full well what he was, that was wrong. The butcher said he'd killed well over 30,000 babies in his career of murder for hire. Can you imagine 30,000 dead babies??? This baby butcher thought himself a Christian, he was not, Christians don't kill babies or vote for those who support it.
I can only imagine the frustration of the man who killed the butcher. He knew full well what the baby butcher did daily and could find no legal way to save those babies lives. He will spend the rest of his life in prison, only God knows how many lives he saved that day. There were no other butcher shops within 150-200 miles of there and the butchers widow closed the butcher shop permanently. It may have opened peoples eyes to what was actually taking place and lives were saved. There are children living today because of that. I feel sorry for the shooter, but not for the butcher, he knew full well hat he was doing and deserves his fate.
Part of the fault of this is that not enough churches stand tall and call abortion what it is, murder. Some churches don't want to offend folks and lose their tithes and offerings from scum like this butcher. Pastors need to stand up and preach the truth, tell folks what God wants them to hear, not just what they want to hear. They need to preach the truth about abortion, homosexuality, and false doctrine as in islam. Hope this has answered your question Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[Junior1942]

. ....I feel sorry for the shooter, but not for the butcher, he knew full well hat he was doing and deserves his fate. .....

So, powderman, if my religious beliefs say a fertilized egg is a fertilized egg and yours says it's a child or a chicken, etc., then you say it's ok to kill me.  I say you should crawl in the hole with Osama bin Laden because the two of you have much in common.

[guzzijohn]

My post's point was not to debate when life begins but whether or not you all are consistent. I may add that ALL life is created by God and you are destroying a creation of Gods when you apply the death penalty as well as an abortion. Yes, the one is innocent and the other may be guilty of whatever but they are both God's creation.
GuzziJohn

[billy_56081]

. ....I feel sorry for the shooter, but not for the butcher, he knew full well hat he was doing and deserves his fate. .....

So, powderman, if my religious beliefs say a fertilized egg is a fertilized egg and yours says it's a child or a chicken, etc., then you say it's ok to kill me.  I say you should crawl in the hole with Osama bin Laden because the two of you have much in common.

Jr. Do you eat alot of fertilized chicken eggs? I'm pretty happy old Tiller the baby killer is burning right now.

[powderman]

junior. Did those pics IG showed look like eggs to you??? I didn't know you had a religion. If you do, ask your Pastor about killing babies. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

junior. Did those pics IG showed look like eggs to you??? I didn't know you had a religion. If you do, ask your Pastor about killing babies. POWDERMAN.  

   Sheesh ! Powderman...If those look like eggs to junior...can you even begin to imagine what he cooks up for breakfast ?  

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. I think junior is just another of those that just don't get it. He should at least thank his mother for allowing him to live. POWDERMAN.