ban on cross border sales

[ratherbefishin]

What REALLY annoys me is both our countries[US and Canada] ban on cross border sales of virtually ANYTHING related to firearms[rule of thumb-if it attaches to a gun,you can't bring it across]You can bring stocks-under $100-sometimes,maybe.You CAN ship some stuff-but by the time you go through all the import/export permits its just not worth it.[get caught at the US border with a scope and you're in MAJOR trouble,its not illegal from Canada's side-but it is from the US,there have been reports of Homeland security agents taking down Canadian car licence plates numbers at US gun shows and putting them on the computor to ''flag'' when they go back]What I fail to understand is what sort of logic is behind shipping something legal in BOTH countries-scopes,ammunition,non prohibited  rifles and shotguns.My neices husband across the line in Washington dearly wants a Husqvarna 6.5x55 swede[of which I have several] and I can't even GIVE him one-a 70 year old bolt action sporterized miltary rifle!I can't bring a single shot H&R that I see advertised here-and I can't ship mine across to get an extra barrel fitted...between our two countries paranoia you may as well forget cross border shopping for ANYTHING related to shooting.I mean-what ''threat'' am I to the national  security of either country if I bring across  a single shot rifle,an air rifle over 500fps -or a black powder rifle that sometimes goes off?I always used to go back with a couple of boxes of shells which were much cheaper in the US-but no more-its just not worth it.Many companies won't ship ANYTHING across the line-the beaurocracy isn't worth their time

Yes I UNDERSTAND the fears about ''terrorism'' since 9/11-but the truth is-as many people who died in the twin towers -die every month in car accidents....but we don't ban shipping car parts across the line....am I missing something here or has the world gone mad?

[Old Fart]

I wish the southern border was as tight.

[Sourdough]

Ha, look at those of us living in Alaska.  We have to buy a licsence and pay a tax on every gun we want to take with us when we go to the lower 48.  We too can not take ammo or parts with us.  Powder, unloaded bullets, and when they find out we are Alaskans, we are treated like criminals at the border check points, both sides, US and Canadian.  

[ratherbefishin]

and what is really ironical is handguns, which are greatly restricted in Canada[limited to use ONLY at a registered firing range]are FREELY available on the black market-you could get anything you want a a down town bar...seems the laws  target the legitimate hunter/target shooter who is no threat to anyone...we just spent 2 billion dollars on a long gun firearms registry that by their OWN statistics hasn;t saved even ONE life.....2 billion taxpayers dollars down the tube[I am totally in favour of hunter education, criminal checks,and safe storage-stuff like that just makes sense and DOES save lives]

[Pat/Rick]

The only time governments mention Freedom, is when they are talking restriction of.  Could it be that our governments fear the fact that we the citizenry, are armed? Hmmmm.

[ratherbefishin]

nah,its all about making it look like they are ''doing something''about ''fighting crime ''or ''fighting terrorism'' and  pandering to the masses for votes,logic or facts have nothing to do with it...

[wreckhog]

I wish the southern border was as tight.

It is tight. People don't bring guns from MX into the US (except for Skeeter Skelton), because there are so many guns in the US. But they bring them the other way. They are many incidents of US and MX citizens getting caught on the MX side of the border check with a couple of cartridges and doing time in MX jails for it. It has been that way as long as I have been alive. Of course people find ways to smuggle, and do it professionally, but believe me you or I would have a tough time. Of course you can simply be hunting and walk across the Canadian border with your gun in spots. My friend has a hunting camp in Maine, and hunters who are his guests have been known to get lost and walk into Canada.

Canada is tough on handguns, but easy on short barreled rifles, which are IMPOSSIBLE to get in my state unless you are LEO.

[Old Fart]

I was just speaking in general terms.

[ratherbefishin]

in canada you can have a rifle barrel 16''long-ONLY if  it comes from the factory that way-if you cut it yourself-it has  to be 18.For all practical purposes-only 22's achieve maximum efficiency in a 16'' barrel-most rifles need a bit longer-mine are 22"to 26''

[powderman]

SOURDOUGH. I didn't know any of that. You mean if you are visiting in the lower 48 and get a great buy on reloading components ya can't take them home??? POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

in canada you can have a rifle barrel 16''long-ONLY if  it comes from the factory that way.

I believe it is 18 1/2 inch and those factory 16" barrel must be on a firearm no less then 32" LOA

 For the rest of PITA, Slick Willy started all of that.

[wreckhog]

in canada you can have a rifle barrel 16''long-ONLY if  it comes from the factory that way.

I believe it is 18 1/2 inch and those factory 16" barrel must be on a firearm no less then 32" LOA

 For the rest of PITA, Slick Willy started all of that.

You sure about that?

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=163163

[wreckhog]

The key words are semi automatic and altered barrel. Your run of the mill TC single shots with pistol barrels and rifle stocks (is anyone really going to cut down a bolt action or lever action?) are fine.

Defining Firearm Status

Since the Criminal Code was enacted in 1892, the federal government has increasingly tightened restrictions on firearms. But the rules are often difficult to navigate. Current federal legislation defines three categories of firearms. Here's a look at what each means:

Non-restricted

Non-restricted firearms refer to most ordinary hunting or sporting rifles and shotguns, such as the Mossberg 500 shotgun and the Remington 700 rifle. However, there are exceptions: certain long guns could be restricted or prohibited.

Restricted

Restricted firearms refer to any handgun that isn't in the prohibited category. The restricted category includes:

- Any semi-automatic centre-fire rifle or shotgun, with a barrel less than 470 millimetres long, which isn't prohibited.

- Any shotgun or rifle that can be fired when its overall length is reduced to less than 660 millimetres -- through telescoping, folding or other methods.

- Any other firearm, including some long guns, deemed restricted by federal cabinet orders-in-council.

A licence to possess or purchase a restricted firearm can be granted for only four purposes: target-shooting practice/competitions; firearm collections; and, in limited circumstances, for employment or protection. An Authorization to Transport permit is needed to move restricted firearms from one location to another.

Prohibited

Prohibited firearms include:

- Any handgun that has a barrel length equal to or less than 105 millimetres.

- Any handgun adapted or designed to shoot .25- or .32-calibre ammunition.

- Any shotgun or rifle altered so that its overall length is less than 660 millimetres.

- Any shotgun or rifle with an altered barrel less than 457 millimetres long when its overall length is greater than 660 millimetres or more.

- Any automatic firearm or converted automatic.

- Any other firearms labelled as prohibited by orders-in-council.

Exceptions have been made to the prohibited category, such as some handguns used for international sporting competitions and that are listed in the restricted category. It's also possible to own a prohibited firearm if it is "grandfathered" -- already registered to the owner when it became prohibited and still properly registered.

More information on rules governing firearms in Canada can be found at www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/

Source: Canada Firearms Centre

[BBF]

wreckdog
Am I sure, not 100 %
I did contact the Firearm Centre when I saw those shorty 16 1/2 barreled rifles advertised from Canadian Dealers and was told that this was OK as they met the min. LOA

I have no clue about that shotgun.

[ratherbefishin]

some rifles are restricted that you wouldn't think would all under that catagory-like the marlin 9mm semi automatic camp rifle-go figure...then they were going to ''symbolicaly''ban the ruger mini 14 because it was used in a dreadful mass murder[but they don't ''symbolically'' ban chevs because someone got drunk and plowed into a crowd killed people while driving a chev] .

And I understand you can't import ''altered'' including sporterized military rifles[like the many bolt action fine swedes]into the US....go figure again-makes NO sense to me

unfortionately it seems to me that a lot of these laws are knee jerk emotional reactions to  terrible tragedies .I always tell people who say ''but guns kill people''-my guns have never come out of the safe all on their own,walked out into the street and killed ANYBODY-never.And yes-I bugs me I can't pack a .22 handgun to pot a grouse with when I'm out moose hunting with my big rifle[we  can own one but they  can only be used at a registered firing range,so I just don't bother buying one]

[wreckhog]

It goes way beyond firearms. My state, until this summer, banned the use of air rifles for small game and the use of crossbows for any game. Now, you can use them, but under limited circumstances. Idiotic. And there appears to be no hope of using rifles on turkey. WTH?

[Sourdough]

Powderman, that's right.  To get my guns to my hunting location I mail them to myself using the US Postal Service.  Luckily my brothers reload so I can load the loads I like for my guns.  Powder and primers cannot be mailed.  I can mail brass and bullets, but not live ammo.

It's a hassel taking anything through Canada.

[BBF]

It's a hassel taking anything through Canada.

I agree and wish it wasn't so. Our present minority Govt is trying to eliminate the registration of long guns. Whether or not that would affect your situation I'm clueless.

Equally it is a PITA for me to take a firearm south.

I need to apply for a permit by snailmail to Virginia with a list of firearms, serial No. Registration number, US hunting license, and the amount of ammo I'm taken. Expect  6 to 8 weeks before you receive an answer.