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Offline P.A. Myers

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Jobs,jobs,jobs.
« on: September 24, 2010, 02:55:07 AM »
I wounder why the democrats/media can't make the connection between taxes/regulation and jobs going overseas.

The CEO of Intel states it costs a billion dollars a year to stay in the US.

The former CEO and founder of HomeDepot states he could not startup a company anymore, too hostile now.

The American worker is still the most productive in the world, we can do this.

As Henry Ford said: Who's going to buy these things?

I wish the working people would wake up and realize the democrats no longer act in their best interest. Carter cured me of that illusion.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 03:18:22 AM »
It took a violent revolution to form this country and with the commies and socialist rable that have spawned over time, it's going to take a violent house cleaning to get us out of the ditch.

So let the festivities begin.  A good beginning would be to sweep out the illegals, the jails and prisons that are full of drug addled ne'er-do-wells and then...  Hey, it might sound a bit harsh, but it ain't going to get fixed by pussyfooting around.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 03:32:19 AM »
magooch +1  gypsyman
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 06:39:15 AM »
Though some may disagree with me, I don't think this is an issue of taxes or regulation.  It's not even a partisan or political issue.  This is merely the market at work.

The American worker isn't the most productive in the world.  From a business perspective the American worker is a commodity.  Their services are a resource which can be purchased and utilized, but it's a resource that can be purchased anywhere.  The only increased value an American worker has is that goods made in America have fewer shipping requirements IF America is your target market.  If you plan to sell globally (which is becoming more and more common) then even that advantage goes out of the window.

Just look at our own purchasing decisions? How many of you will buy a gun at $750 from one shop when another one down the street has the same thing for $500?  Customer loyalty MIGHT get you to pay the difference (only for a precious few people), but companies don't have that.  A corporate board, through it's actions as a group, removes most semblance of loyalty.  Not only that, but once an IPO is made then they actually have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to the shareholders to maximize profit.  That means that if you can legitimately save a buck in some area, then you legally have to.

Now, taxes or not, Americans demand higher wages than most of the world.  The Democrats say to regulate the businesses to force them to behave ethically.  That won't work.  The Republicans either call for a complete hands off approach, or heavy import tarrifs, which ALSO won't work.  The simple truth is that for a long time Americans rode a wave after WW2.  We developed a HUGE manufacturing sector during the war that kept churning afterwards while most of the rest of the world was either planting rice or rebuilding cities that had been reduced to rubble.  With that wealth flowed easily into the US economy as we sold goods to the entire world.  Then came the period during the 80's and 90's.  Those other countries had been rebuilt, and/or had produced an industrial complex capable of manufacturing goods.  We still had a lopsided distribution of the world's wealth though.  So with those countries recruiting a labor force essentially from the fields, they were able to produce tons of cheap goods that we could buy en masse.  That's when the journey back down the mountain began.  Sure you're still pretty high to start with, but you're undeniably descending.

Now we've hit a low point.  Americans still want what they got used to.  They still want the wages they had post-WW2 and the goods that they had access to in the 80's and 90's.  The thing is though that from a capitalist mindset, the situation required the rest of the world to be in disarray and backwards.  That is no longer true, and so we're not going to be returning to that.  The market forces won't allow it.  You can try to force it back that way through government intervention, but that's trying to fix a broken dam with a bandaid.  The Democrats won't say it, nor will the Republicans, because the public doesn't want to hear the truth, and the truth is that things are going to get worse, and it's not really a "mistake" or something that you can really fix.  It's simply the economy rebalancing itself.  When you were on the end that was a bit too high (as we were) then that rebalance is going to hurt, but hurt feelings and fairness won't change reality.

What you're going to see is American wages continue to trend downward and foreign wages trend upwards.  When the market completely stabilizes then outsourcing won't even be an issue anymore because the costs will be comparable regardless of where you setup your factory.  That's the way it works.  Competition tends to force the price of any commodity - be it bullets, bananas, computer memory, or even human labor - to a similar price regardless of supplier or source.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 03:04:20 PM »
Great! Throw in in the towel! Cower in the shadows. NO, allow the market to work. I believe that this engine of technology and production can produce superior goods at world competitive prices. If the plundering bandits [polititions, lawyers and thieves] can be purged from our industry we can usher in a new age. The shining city on the hill is attainable.

JFK said we are going to the moon not because it is easy, but because it is hard. These things can be done despite the pronouncements of academics hung up in a zero sum game.

OR go out in the back yard and hang yourself from a swing set so you don't have to watch your grandchildren starve.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 06:08:22 PM »
It took a violent revolution to form this country and with the commies and socialist rable that have spawned over time, it's going to take a violent house cleaning to get us out of the ditch.

So let the festivities begin.  A good beginning would be to sweep out the illegals, the jails and prisons that are full of drug addled ne'er-do-wells and then...  Hey, it might sound a bit harsh, but it ain't going to get fixed by pussyfooting around.

It don't sound harsh to me. I have been preaching the same thing for years now. Bring back the death penalty and enforce it. Put term limits in "ALL" government positions. Most important, rid this country of the lazy government check collecting dead beats sitting at home watching Ohpra. Last thing would be to run the illegals out of the country along with the muslims. If there is any that wants to put up a fight then so be it, let it begin.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 06:40:04 PM »
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Bring back the death penalty and enforce it. Put term limits in "ALL" government positions. Most important, rid this country of the lazy government check collecting dead beats sitting at home watching Ohpra. Last thing would be to run the illegals out of the country along with the muslims. If there is any that wants to put up a fight then so be it, let it begin.


I fear that would make too much sense to some folks. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 01:08:20 AM »
The generation of income on the back of produced goods and services is breaking the economy.  Here are a few:
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp  Your State's Gasoline and Diesel Tax
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10003.html  Social Security and Medicare Tax
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/liquor.pdf  State by State Liquor Tax
      Income Tax
      Self-Employment Tax
      Employment Taxes
      Excise Tax
      Importation Tax

Tax and spend.  Tax and spend.  Roll the Government back.  Terminate programs and services.  Leave me alone to spend the money I generate instead of taking it from me to feed the entitlement programs for people who didn't produce a thing or generate one ounce of the effort.

Let the MARKET DECIDE not some pin headed IRS Tax Code writer.  There is a Bureaucracy in Washington, DC that is behind every piece of legislation.  A HUGE machine of people that are NEVER affected by a change in the Political wind.  These people are the real scourge.  They WRITE the bills.

Then there is INSURANCE - one industry we heard nothing from during the rush to cram the Democratic Health Care agenda down the throats of We The People.  Insurance is another blight on the economy.  It has permeated EVERYTHING and corrupted the minds of the People.  Insurance is the corrupt and Gestapo-like Silent Partner with its hand in the till doing nothing for the business but continually sucking profits out the door.  Insurance is HUGE and there are probably as many people in the Insurance Industry as there are in Government.  I wonder why...



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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2010, 12:57:42 PM »
I apologize for my incessant raving. I see things that I feel are stupid and obvious and get angry. I see that is a condition many share. Just because we cannot rewind to the 50-s, 60's, 70's, is no reason to give up.

As Hannity sez: "Let not your heart be troubled".
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2010, 06:16:50 PM »
As Hannity sez: "Let not your heart be troubled".

It ain't so much my heart be troubled, it's more like my a$$ is tired of working to pay for the folks that don't. :(