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Thickening Bore Butter
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:42:46 AM »
Does anyone know a way of thickening Bore Butter? It's rarely cold around here and it turns into a water consistency when it's warm.

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 11:16:01 AM »
Just melt and add bees wax...

Your best bet though is to make your own lube...2 parts Bees wax, 8 parts castor oil and one part Murphy's Oil Soap is a good basis to start with...Buy the cheaper castor oil at a natural foods store, the type for rubbing on skin, not drinking...You can buy bees wax at Hobby Lobby and Murphys oil soap at WalMart or Lowes hareware...

I simply put some water in a pan, put a canning jar (pint) in the middle and melt the bees wax...Then add castor oil and the Murphys...

You can mix as you like or remelt and add what is needed to get the consistancy you want...

For years I used SnoSeal, that would also make a good base mix...Here in NC it would also get runny in the summer...That's one reason I started mixing my own but I could have just as easily added some bees wax as SnoSeal is bees wax and mineral oil to help soften...

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 10:10:20 AM »
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for bore butter in modern in-line muzzleloading rifles.
In fact, every single owner/shooter that i saw using it in their rifle before the last years's hunting season (about 20) could not hit the broad side of a cow.

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 06:20:24 PM »
Many many years ago when I first hired into the Anniston Army Depot I was put to work rebuilding binoculars for our soldiers. One of the tricks we learned was that the grease for the threads in the eye piece adjustment needed to be seriously thick to give the right tension in those old nearly worn out binoculars.

We accomplished it by spreading the grease we had on pieces of cardboard and letting it soak up some of the oils. It thickened it right up nicely and we just scraped the thick grease off and tossed the cardboard in the trash. Ya might give that method a try if you are dead set on making it thicker.


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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2010, 12:11:35 AM »
Thanks GB I'll give that a try. When it's 96 around here that stuff is like water.

And Anwells. I did try it in the ML and you're right, it doesn't work. But I use in the revolver.

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2010, 01:01:52 AM »
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for bore butter in modern in-line muzzleloading rifles.
In fact, every single owner/shooter that i saw using it in their rifle before the last years's hunting season (about 20) could not hit the broad side of a cow.


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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2010, 02:13:22 AM »

What do you use?

Nothing. Well, i have a break open inline rifle. When i shoot the 777 I take the barell out of action, scope and all, and wash it with hot water and soap. I run some windex in there as well, but it's cotton patches wrapped around a brush, and hot, soapy, running water, mostly. I have a large sink with a "kitchen hose" or whatever those are called in the basement. When the thing dries, i oil with Remington Oil (green and yellow can). I have done this several dozen times, and the Nikon Omega scope is just fine, but the scope does not get cleaned with anything other than clean water and lens wipes. Before shooting again, i run some tight patches in the bore to remove the oil, and shoot two primers to blow the rest and and to produce fouling.
This works very well for me. Doing this, i can place the first shots into the 2" target.

More recently, i purchased Blackhorn 209 powder to try, and i love it.   I also love the Harvester crush rib sabots (easy to load and accurate). This BH 209, i clean just like any other rifle, with bore cleaner and and patches, very easily, folowed by a bit of oil for storage. Also, the first shot is on target, regardles of whether the bore is clean or fouled.

I do need to keep oil in the bore, because my "gun library" is in a somewhat moist basement. Except, that is, when i hunt with the rifles. Then, i just leave them fouled and ready for the duration of the season.

Last December a guy next to me at the range could not shoot his CVA Accura or Omega at 50 yards, could not group his bullets less than 8" and was barely hitting the paper. He noticed my 1"  1 hole goups and finally asked what bullet i was shooting. It turns out that we were shooting exactly the same thing (powder and bullet: 777 and 250 gr. XTP), but he had used bore butter and did not scrub wet patch - dry patch between shots.   
So, we cleaned his bore and removed the butter the best we could with windex, TC bore cleaner, and Hopes, and loaded on a bore as clean as possible. He was grouping after the first fouling shot, and figured the trick about using wet patch - dry patch between shots. He was not singular. I saw many guys at the range last fall, and if they had bore butter on their tables or in their boxes or tool kits, they were not shooting well (i was just looking  :)).
Of course, it's different when hunting. If you fire, leave the bore fouled, and hunt with that rifle in wet conditions for 10 days, at the end of the season you will have a rusted bore. That is why i purchased the Blackhorn 209.

Bore butter is mostly for patch and round ball shooting. I read that TC and some Knight inlines have a tight bore, and that bore butter helps loading the rifles because it makes it easier to push the bullets down into the bore. However, that is not conducive to accuracy. A thick lubricant that changes consistency as temperature varies and gets progressively thicker with fouling is not good. Being mostly solid, it cannot be applied in a uniformly thick layer. 

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 02:42:04 AM »
what you you suggest if one was going to not use the sabots, just his own cast conicals?

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 04:45:39 AM »
what you you suggest if one was going to not use the sabots, just his own cast conicals?
I don't have experience with that, so my advice is worthless in that situation. You probably need bure butter or some lubricant then? However, judging from what i know now, i would cast bullets with lube grooves (but a 50 cal. would end up too heavy?), or i would just put a bit of bore butter on the conicals themselves, sort of a primitive bullet lubrication. 

But, plastic sabots cost $12/hundred. Past that, you can cast bullets that work well with sabots and no lubrication.

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 05:08:42 AM »
I'l get some beesax and work up a formula like the Junior Lube. I notice most guys do make their own lubes.

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 05:54:59 AM »
I'l get some beesax and work up a formula like the Junior Lube. I notice most guys do make their own lubes.

This may be your best bet.  I  use a home made lube I got from a friend for my conicals and it is great.  My only problem is when it runs out, I have got to find a new source.  My friend says the guy that developed the lube died and no one knows the recipe!
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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 01:08:34 PM »
Flintlock,

I ran across your lube recipe post. I was thinking of giving it a try. can you tell me if your measurements are by volume or by weight.

Thanks

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 01:34:15 PM »
For those of you looking for an excellent lube...

http://bullshop.gunloads.com/

Please look at the column on the right.... The NASA stuff is excellent in most any weather

Keep shooting muzzleloaders - they are a blast....

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Re: Thickening Bore Butter
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2010, 02:49:13 AM »
the two lubes i make are as follows
main lube is bees wax, mobile 1 10-40, lanolin and a bit of citronella oil

second lube is for shooting with real black powder, its bees wax, lanolin oil and a bit of citronella oil.

to breifly give mention to the original post of this thread, i've used bore butter thickened with bees wax, but i only use this on the breech plug and have tried it on patches for shooting RB's.  still have about 95% of what i made, just to give an idea how much i use that stuff.. my first lube i mentioned has done everything i need and does it well

also heard some fabulous things from the bullshops NASA lube and Dan is a good guy to deal with