My son wants a pistol for next year's deer season. So I ordered him a Encore frame, and grip. He was leaning torwards a 7-08, but hadn't made up his mind yet. I didn't say anything, one way or the other, so i don't think he expects it for Christmas. I'll put a gift cetificate in with the frame, for a scope, and barrel. He can make up mind without haste that way. I know it's not a rifle, but he got one of those last year. I hate to spoil him and get him another rifle this year also :wink: