Author Topic: You choose. (Read 982 times)

mcwoodduck · « **on:** October 06, 2010, 01:23:40 PM »

The other day I was out on a walk and saw Brian Susman, a local talk show host signing books at the gun store.
And his, Rush, Mark, and Sean's shows all collided into one bright thought.
All Democrats are either:
Insane, Stupid, or Evil.
I know this may upset some of you, but let me explain my statement.
Einstien said:Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insane.
Everywhere Communism and Socialism have been tried it has failed.
The Democrats propose more and more Socialism and communism.
So proposing more socialism expecting it to succeed is insane.

The Stupid people are the ones that have not seen what has happened to other countries, Are the ones that think they know better how to run your business and think more controls more regulations or more government are the answers.

The Evil are the ones that understand that Socialism and Communism do not work and continue to propose it for one of three reasons.
1) they want to end America and Capitalism
2) they can profit from it in some way
3) they want to see others suffer.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2010, 02:27:54 PM »

Sounds like our government to me!

LONGTOM

DDZ · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2010, 02:42:27 PM »

I think the main reason is to end America the way it is with its free enterprise. They want to do this of coarse, because it empowers them, the government. Also they do want people to suffer because it makes people dependent on them. So the first reason leads to the second and the second to the third. They accomplish this by making more and more people dependent on them, the government, by taking more and more from them, the people, whether its in the form of money or freedoms.

History has proven that socialism, and communism do not work for the people, but it sure empowers the governing body over them. I don't think government is that stupid or insane. They know what they are doing. Its the voters that I think are stupid, or insane. They are either stupid or insane, or they do want government to tell them how to live, and they do want government to spend their money for them, because we the people keep voting the same socialists into office over and over again. So its one of the two. Stupid, as in don't have a clue what they are doing when they walk to the voting booth, or we the people want it this way. I guess there is a third reason, and that is many Americans just don't care, and forgo their duty as Americans to go and vote. I say shame on those that don't have a clue, and shame on those that don't vote. Both groups are not doing their duty as Americans. I almost forgot the other group that is living on the tax payers backs, that votes money out of tax payers pockets. Shame on them also.

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2010, 03:10:57 PM »

No brainer, EVIL. POWDERMAN.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2010, 03:22:28 PM »

#2. Greed is strong motivator for some. But power and greed together leads to the corruption we have now.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

BBF · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2010, 06:36:09 PM »

News Flash

China's Communist Govt with a Capitalist Economy is doing very well.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2010, 07:28:59 PM »

Limbaugh said of "omam obama" "He's a jackass. He's an economic illiterate. an economic ignoramus.” concerning obamas attitude about raising taxes on the wealthy. Not thats not the news. On a radio poll today in Houston Texas, at last count 74 % agreed with him!.............. God Bless Texas

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The Evil are the ones that understand that Socialism and Communism do not work and continue to propose it for one of three reasons.
1) they want to end America and Capitalism
2) they can profit from it in some way
3) they want to see others suffer.

Maybe all of the above! However, I don't think they want to see others suffer but I really believe they could care less if others suffer. They are elitists, you know the ruling class and dont think the rules apply to them so they bring the country down and get rich and prosper while the country suffers. Kinda like Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2010, 06:51:30 AM »

Quote from: scatterbrain on October 06, 2010, 06:36:09 PM

News Flash
China's Communist Govt with a Capitalist Economy is doing very well.

Of course it is.
If I had 1 Billion slaves working for me, I too would be doing very well.
but their system only works when there is a demand for the goods they produce.
85% of the people in China can not afford the goods they are producing and if our system goes down who will they make those goods for?
You must be one of the "Stupid" in the Democrat Party. Spouting off not understand what you are saying and what the ramifications are of these policies. Much like the Unions members that vote Democrat only to have their industries shipped over seas due to taxes, fake enviromental, or political reasons.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2010, 06:59:53 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on October 06, 2010, 07:28:59 PM

Limbaugh said of "omam obama" "He's a jackass. He's an economic illiterate. an economic ignoramus.” concerning obamas attitude about raising taxes on the wealthy. Not thats not the news. On a radio poll today in Houston Texas, at last count 74 % agreed with him!.............. God Bless Texas

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The Evil are the ones that understand that Socialism and Communism do not work and continue to propose it for one of three reasons.
1) they want to end America and Capitalism
2) they can profit from it in some way
3) they want to see others suffer.

Maybe all of the above! However, I don't think they want to see others suffer but I really believe they could care less if others suffer. They are elitists, you know the ruling class and dont think the rules apply to them so they bring the country down and get rich and prosper while the country suffers. Kinda like Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned.

The more people that are out of work the more people can be on the Government Dole and the more power the ellected official has. the suffering is all about personal power. Suffer may have been the wrong word. Struggle may have been better but keeping people from working, keeping an underclass, giving people no hope is suffering to me.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2010, 07:14:35 AM »

Even chinas capitalistic gains are restricted to an elite group. ALL of their heavy industry is owned by the military.

BBF · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2010, 07:33:25 AM »

P&R
Yes, however it doesn't matter IMO that still makes them owned by China and not a foreign country.
With the exception of Hong Kong under the British, China was never a Free Country in the Western way of thinking.

BTW I do not advocate their type of Govt with my posts.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2010, 07:36:56 AM »

Scatterbrain, Capitalism and Nazi's worked well together too. Sooner or later, the Chinese will get a powerhungry dictator, like Mao. Some of these "One Party" systems, whether socialist or communist, will eventually have a dictator. Our system of government however gridlocked, does work, but it has grown too big, far too big.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2010, 07:49:28 AM »

Scatterbrain,Absolutely. Even under Chiang kai Chek (SP?) they were never a free people. I guess at best living standard it was a feudal society, before structured communism and Mao.

Even though we do not advocate that gov't type, we may see it, or a cheap immitation, forced upon us.

A book you might be interested in reading is "Ivan's War" by Catherine Merridale. It is based on interviews and records about the political "struggles", that russia endured from '39-'40. Gives quite an insight of life in the soviet union during that time.Politically and personally. It really did not take very long to indoctrinate, or change a peoples thinking. Though faint(?), I can see similarities with the eagerness of gov't to be involved with our daily lifes, board of education, energy,etc,etc.

DD, that is the chance we take when gov't gets corrupt and exceeds its authority as granted by the Constitution.

BBF · « **Reply #13 on:** October 08, 2010, 06:58:03 AM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on October 07, 2010, 06:51:30 AM

Quote from: scatterbrain on October 06, 2010, 06:36:09 PM

You must be one of the "Stupid" in the Democrat Party.

Pretty fast on the draw with labeling people. You haven't got a real clue as to my political beliefs.

However IMO a larger part of the Chinese common people have a much better life now then in their history. Don't go off on their personal feedoms, they have little now and had little before, no difference. Part of the price they pay is to keep the mouth shut and follow the party line.

i e their medical services and educational standards are much improved. Do you think Govt big shots are the only people over there that are buying high quality cars?

If their export maket fails, they will survive, they don't have those huge welfare /entitlement costs that the West has.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #14 on:** October 08, 2010, 07:25:41 AM »

Hey you say silly things you get a label.
And while the ones in power will continue to have luxury items that the West makes.
We only have those items due to capitalism. Demand societies do not provide new anything.
There are no innovations, there are always shortages of items.
Had we not imposed Socialism here in the forms of Regulations, Taxes, and Enviromental Hocus China would not be where it is.
My Step Mother went there in the 80's to see if Revlon wanted to set up a plant and make the bottles there.
They took her to a small city and had a banquet, entertained her and at the end produced a contract. They said you sign here for joint venture on glass plant. My Step mother explained that she was just here for fact finding and she could not sign. They said sign or not transportation back to Hong Kong. After two days she signed to get out.
The Slave labor has saved them, so far from the fate of the Soviet Union.
If we shut our doors to China Made items, we could collapse their system in a few short years.

oldandslow · « **Reply #15 on:** October 08, 2010, 01:04:49 PM »

I took scatterbrain's statement as not silliness but sarcasm. But that's just me.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #16 on:** October 08, 2010, 02:46:04 PM »

Quote from: oldandslow on October 08, 2010, 01:04:49 PM

I took scatterbrain's statement as not silliness but sarcasm. But that's just me.

Sorry, I took it as either a Democrat sheep or a communist saying that "look Socialism works and if we follow their model we too can work".

BBF · « **Reply #17 on:** October 08, 2010, 08:49:10 PM »

I presume you didn't read the last line of my post # 10

myronman3 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 09, 2010, 03:05:02 AM »

none the less, his refudiation of your statement holds merit.

magooch · « **Reply #19 on:** October 09, 2010, 04:36:47 AM »

Well, that clears it all up for me. Gramsci Scholars huh--what's a Gramsci Scholar.

I believe Rush, Sean and Mark have it right, but I don't believe that all Dumocrats necessarily have sinister motives. It's just that they think they know what's best for everyone and by gosh it's their duty to cram it down our throats. Most of them probably don't even really believe what comes out of their mouths, but it serves as a vehicle to keep their political positions. It's the easy way to be a politician; you tell the miserable masses what they want to hear instead of reality and the truth.

BBF · « **Reply #20 on:** October 09, 2010, 08:33:08 AM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on October 08, 2010, 07:25:41 AM

Hey you say silly things you get a label.

If we shut our doors to China Made items, we could collapse their system in a few short years.

You are presuming that China has no other large outlets for their exports. The Govt. there doesn't have to worry about getting voted out of power either so they do whatever keeps them in control and the country running.

BTW What exactly was silly in my posts?

nw_hunter · « **Reply #21 on:** October 09, 2010, 10:14:45 AM »

Quote from: magooch on October 09, 2010, 04:36:47 AM

Well, that clears it all up for me. Gramsci Scholars huh--what's a Gramsci Scholar.

I believe Rush, Sean and Mark have it right, but I don't believe that all Dumocrats necessarily have sinister motives. It's just that they think they know what's best for everyone and by gosh it's their duty to cram it down our throats. Most of them probably don't even really believe what comes out of their mouths, but it serves as a vehicle to keep their political positions. It's the easy way to be a politician; you tell the miserable masses what they want to hear instead of reality and the truth.

Couldn't stand it any longer,,,,,,,Had to go to Wikipedia

"ALMOST FORGOT" After finding out what a Gramsci Scholar is, I agree with TM7.

Antonio Gramsci (Italian pronunciation: [an'tɔ:njo 'ɡramʃi]) (January 22, 1891 – April 27, 1937) was an Italian philosopher, writer, politician and political theorist. A founding member and onetime leader of the Communist Party of Italy, he was imprisoned by Benito Mussolini's Fascist regime. His writings mostly deal with the analysis of culture and political leadership. He is notable as a highly original thinker within the Marxist tradition. He is renowned for his concept of cultural hegemony as a means of maintaining the state in a capitalist society.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 09, 2010, 06:28:40 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on October 08, 2010, 02:46:04 PM

Quote from: oldandslow on October 08, 2010, 01:04:49 PM
I took scatterbrain's statement as not silliness but sarcasm. But that's just me.
Sorry, I took it as either a Democrat sheep or a communist saying that "look Socialism works and if we follow their model we too can work".

Mcwooduck, don't worry about old 45-70gov/BBF/scatterbrain too serious, he aint even part of our club. He can't be a D or R.

magooch · « **Reply #23 on:** October 10, 2010, 03:56:18 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on October 09, 2010, 10:14:45 AM

Quote from: magooch on October 09, 2010, 04:36:47 AM
Well, that clears it all up for me. Gramsci Scholars huh--what's a Gramsci Scholar.

I believe Rush, Sean and Mark have it right, but I don't believe that all Dumocrats necessarily have sinister motives. It's just that they think they know what's best for everyone and by gosh it's their duty to cram it down our throats. Most of them probably don't even really believe what comes out of their mouths, but it serves as a vehicle to keep their political positions. It's the easy way to be a politician; you tell the miserable masses what they want to hear instead of reality and the truth.

Couldn't stand it any longer,,,,,,,Had to go to Wikipedia "ALMOST FORGOT" After finding out what a Gramsci Scholar is, I agree with TM7.

Antonio Gramsci (Italian pronunciation: [an'tɔ:njo 'ɡramʃi]) (January 22, 1891 – April 27, 1937) was an Italian philosopher, writer, politician and political theorist. A founding member and onetime leader of the Communist Party of Italy, he was imprisoned by Benito Mussolini's Fascist regime. His writings mostly deal with the analysis of culture and political leadership. He is notable as a highly original thinker within the Marxist tradition. He is renowned for his concept of cultural hegemony as a means of maintaining the state in a capitalist society.

Ooookaay, now I think I understand. Wait-wait; what was the question?