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Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« on: August 27, 2010, 07:47:55 PM »
Veral, I have a nice 250 gr. LBT WFN PB that I got working great in my .44 spl. at moderate velocities now. Thanks for your input. . . .

Now I need an accurate long range bullet design for my .44 mag Ruger Hunter. Not terribly concerned about high velocity; figure in the 1,200 fps range would be fine. Something for popping little rocks out at 200-300 yards, and for big game to about 100 yards. I figured something in the 270-300 gr. weight range, and maybe a LBT WLN GC realm? What bullet would you bet money on shooting the best?
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 08:02:44 PM »
  Bet money on?  Hey man, I lay my neck on the block with whatever claim I make!

  The LFN is more streamlined than the WFN or WLN, and this flight form is very helpful in getting long range accuracy.  The closer bullet length gets to a rifle bullet the closer accuracy gets, within the stabilizing ability of the rifling twist of the gun of interest.  For yours and approximate 1200 fps velocity, a 300 gr is unbeatable.  If the revolver will handle a .5 nose length, and one wants to send out a bit more energy, 320 grains gets the nod, and in fact, this bullet when loaded with 296/H110 to maximum pressure, if gas checked and lubed with one of the LBT bullet lubes, will produce about three times as much energy as full power jacked loads.  A 300 gr with .45 nose, about double jacketed energy.  Everything about it is fine tuned for efficiency, and a chronograph will proove it.  --  I have many customer reports from both of these weights, producing 1 inch and smalleer 5 shot groups at 100 yards, from guns which have lapped barrels, cylinder throats slightly larger than barrel groove diameter, and bullet diameter fitted close to cylinder throats.  Of coarse cylinder throats must be in fairly close alignment with the barrel.  If one or two are out, they will open the group.   If one has this problem the bad cylinder can be marked and not used when trying to show off and make other shooters hate you!  The best accuracy report to date was two 5 shot groups in a row, at 100 yards, both under 3/4 of an inch.  The shooter told me that he had gotten two groups under an inch, then a wittness called and wanted a mold just like his, because he watched him cut two groups under 3/4 of an inch.  I didn't argue with either of them!

   Let me tell you right here and now.  If MY shooting had to be depended on to proove maximum accuracy potential, I wouldn't be talking about this kind of accuracy!  I can make a quart oil jug leak real bad with a cylinder full at 100 yards, off hand, but can't talk about personal groups under 4 inches at 100 yards!

  My favorite weight is 280 gr, loafing along at about 1200 fps, becauce I get a lot more kick out of shooting when I'm not getting kicked to much when the hammer drops!  And I don't feel bad if only one or two out of a cylinder full hits the oil bottle at 100 yards!

  I must expound a bit on how to shoot a revolver for maximum accuracy.  (Though I've written about it before on this forum.)--  Rest the barrel out near the muzzle on anything that won't scratch the barrel, but rest ONLY ENOUGH TO TAKE THE SHAKE OUT!  DO NOT REST ANY PART OF YOUR ARMS ON ANYTHING!  Set your sights while shooting this way and you'll find point of impact doesn't change when shooting offhand, though groups will open up without the rest.  In the field it is normally possible to grab some sort of rest for the barrel and you'll be able to tag your game at far greater distence than if you sight any other way.   If you rest your wrists as is often recommended in the gun rags, the revolver but cannot rotate back and down like it does when shooting off hand, and the muzzle will wobble all over the place, so sighting cannot be nearly as precise. as with a rested barrel.
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 06:08:17 AM »
Point taken Veral. Going to get an order off for a 300 gr. mold asap. Keep up the great work Veral; lot's of us folk depending on your fine molds for our shooting. Thanks much! Dennis
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 06:46:29 AM »
   Veral, could you be a bit more specific about resting the barrel, and not the hands.on the rest?  How far toward the end of the barrel  should it be rested? Clear at the [muzzle] end , or partway back,about the middle of the barrelI or back near the trigger guard?
ve always rested my wrists, and it never worked out too well ,  Thanks for a very interesting site. 
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 03:18:04 PM »
  Out at the end, especially with a single action, as you don't want the ejector handle catching as the barrel moves back.  At the end does the best job of stopping the wobble and bobbing.  Remember, just enough pressure to stop the wiggle.  We want the gun to act as if it were held free hand, when the recoil surge is applied.
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2010, 02:38:03 AM »
Would resting the barrel still work for a 4 5/8" barreled single-action?  I'd be resting it on the ejector rod housing more than the barrel because the two are the same length. 

I'm glad you posted this.  I've been getting a load together for deer this year (with LBT Soft lube) and I am finding differences between sighting-in from the bench and offhand shooting point of impact. 

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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 07:55:28 PM »
  Barrel length doesn't matter, at least down to 2 inch, which is the shortest I've done it with.  If you are resting on the ejector rod housing, just rest back a ways from the ejector knob if it hangs below the housing.  If it doesn't, there is no concern as it won't catch as the barrel comes back. 

  Actually I've never had a problem with the ejector knob catching, and am not sure it even would as the barrel rises quickly, and perhaps more than it comes back at the first start of movement.  A small, fairly thick pad, like 1/4 or thicker, would prevent any damage to the rod/knob, if it does hang below the housing.
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2010, 03:14:56 AM »
As usual Veral is right on the money with his advice on resting the barrel. If the hood of a vehicle is used for support make SURE the barrel is not at a downward angle. A nasty slice can appear in the sheet metal shortly after firing. Please do not ask how I am an expert on this ;D
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2010, 12:53:12 PM »
what would you recommend in .44 cal  for the special? and your recommendation for the 45cal in the long colt? thank you for your time.

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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 06:22:47 PM »
  If you special wears fixed sight, and if you want to stay with standard special loads, a  240 gr will be most likely to shoot to the sights.  If you want to firewall it, a heavier bullet gets the nod.  In any case, get the WFN so you get maximum effect on live targets with the mild velocities.

  The 45 colt cartridge is chambered in too many guns to give an accurate answer for everyone.   If for a weak gun, stay with standard weight bullets and the WFN.  If it's a Ruger you can shoot up to 340 gr, but probably for most hunters a 300 gr WFN would yield the most delight.
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Re: Most accurate .44 cal LBT bullet ?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 05:38:10 AM »
thank you, Veral.  fixed sight .44 Taurus and Ruger .45 Redhawk. so that pretty well tells me what I need to ponder. thanks again. God Bless to all. ;D