Author Topic: 6.8mm...??  (Read 556 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Mainspring

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 237
6.8mm...??
« on: October 21, 2003, 06:17:54 AM »
Mods feel free to yank this post that links to another board (not sure how ya'll feel about me doing this), but I found this interesting: http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum78/HTML/000512.html
The key to winning a gun fight is to take your time...quickly


If you continue to think as you've always thought, you'll continue to get what you've always got...Is it enough?

Offline Mainspring

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 237
6.8mm...??
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2003, 07:39:41 AM »
BTT

I've been offline for a month or so.  Has anyone heard of anything going on with this round?
The key to winning a gun fight is to take your time...quickly


If you continue to think as you've always thought, you'll continue to get what you've always got...Is it enough?

Offline colt451911

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 41
6.8mm...??
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2003, 08:18:11 AM »
No, but it does look impressive.  What would possibly be the dissadvantage of using it to replace 5.56NATO?  Would be nice to see our military use something a little bigger than the .223

Offline John Traveler

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1359
6.8mm replacement for M4/M16A2 5.56 NATO
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2003, 09:40:51 AM »
Disadvantages to a new "better" caliber?

For starters, how many 5.56mm rifles there are in the US inventory?  In the inventory of our NATO allies and friends?  LOTS!

The sheer logistics of re-fitting the exisiting service rifles to a new caliber are staggering.  Interoperability of ammunition, repair parts, maintainability, etc are hugely expensive, and likely unaffordable by smaller militaries and countries.  Even equipping special ops brings in these same logistics headaches.

When it comes down to a choice between using existing stocks of weapons/ammo that are "serviceable" and buying expensive new systems and parts and calibers, you can easily GUESS which will win.

HTH
John
John Traveler

Offline colt451911

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 41
6.8mm...??
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2003, 03:25:22 PM »
John Traveler- A point well taken, however in every conflict since Vietnam our soldiers have compained about the ineffectiveness of the 5.56.  Maybe we can guess which caliber will win win a choice between the two but that may not be the caliber that should win.  If the US and NATO had something that could take down a well determined enemy soldier without using an entire magazine then it would be worth every penny.

Offline John Traveler

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1359
service rifle caliber
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2003, 04:49:27 AM »
Colt451911,

I too would dearly love to see our troops better armed with a service rifle/caliber.  

I've met met and interacted with several hundreds of these fine young men in my work, and they are universally armed with the M4,  M16A2, and M249 SAW individual weapons.  The troops like the M4 for it's handiness in armoured vehicle operations.  As long as we and our NATO allies are stuck with the 5.56x45 caliber, the M16A2/M4 platform is as handy and effective as any other, including the "bullpup" designs.

As for caliber effectiveness, the Israeli and the South African Armies have more than a generation of continuous infantry battle experience using 5.56 weapons.  They consider it superior to the 7.62 NATO and 7.62x39  ComBloc weapons, and they (the Israeli Defense Forces in particular), had a lot more armoured vehicle battle experience than the US Army until the recent Iraq conflict.

Given that the decision makers in US military weapons procurement still think that the troops have a "serviceable" weapon in an "adequate" caliber, it's much more likely that ammunition improvements will happen before weapon mods and caliber changes.  Remember, the weenies that make weapons purchasing decisions think that "good enough" wins out over "best quality" every time.

HTH
John
John Traveler

Offline S.S.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2840
6.8mm...??
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2003, 10:18:36 AM »
Most of the fighting that the above mentioned nations have done is
at rather close range.
Inside of 100 meters or so, the 5.56 is not a bad combat round.
besides, My main gripe was with the M-16 not going bang when it was supposed to, not the .223 round itself.

I'll take a .30 cal of some sort myself though if I ever have to
fire in anger again. Else I guess I'll havta jes stay home an let the
young folks have the next one!
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
"A wise man does not pee against the wind".