450 Marlin with Crimson Lams

[YRUpunting?]

NIB 450 Marlin with the rare crimson laminated stock set. 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=339006816

[Doc Fillem]

I believe those are known as Royal Jacaranda stocks. I'd like to find a set of those myself.

[geezerbiker]

It's kind of tempting.  If I hadn't recently bought a .45-70 I would think seriously about it...

Tony

[Old Fart]

I stumbled across one recently, straight stock.

 
Mine was a 45-70 and I paid a whole lot less that that. Yes I feel lucky. 

[muznut 54]

I have that same gun but mine has much nicer bluing, the best I have seen on any H&R.

[fish280]

i know what i'd name a rifle with crimson lams: roll tide ...

[LaOtto222]

I am not sure why anyone would mess around with a 450 Marlin when a 45-70 can be loaded up heavier and the brass is much easier to get.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

[gcrank1]

If you have another one in another flavor?
Plus you wont have heavy loaded 45-70's floating around after ya 'expire unexpectedly' to be shot in  a trapdoor.
Isnt the case capacity pretty much a wash between them, thus handload to handload they are ballistic twins?

[quickdtoo]

QL lists case capacity of the 45-70 as 79gr H2O, 450M is 74gr, that likely varies with different 45-70 brass, seems to me there was a comparison made on MO with different 45-70 brass, but all were more than 450M.

Tim

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

the mag case is supposed to be the death knell for the Handi, but with a straight case, breech thrust must be reduced enough to not cause issues.

I'd expect a 25-06 would be more damaging being a small bore bottle neck.

[sluggo]

 I used to own a 450 Marlin with that furniture on it, but it didn't have the red stripe through it. Traded the barrel. Those lams are now on my HB .223.

[muznut 54]

I have no problems getting brass and the 450 brass is tougher 48gr of 5744 and a 300gr bullet rocks.

[LaOtto222]

I have no problems getting brass and the 450 brass is tougher 48gr of 5744 and a 300gr bullet rocks.

According to my loading manuals, you are way over max with that 300 grain bullet. Please be careful, if you want to shoot 45-70 levels, then get a 45-70. Tougher brass, means less case capacity. The same problem happens with my 444 Marlin squirrel rifle, the brass is thicker and smaller in diameter, so it can not make the same velocity with similar bullet weight. It does not mean the 450 or the 444 are no good, it just means they just will not do what a 45-70 can do. Either one will take any game animal on the North American continent and do it with authority, as long as you keep ranges reasonable. How dead is dead? Again, please be careful. If you really need a higher level of power, then get a different gun that can do it safely.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

[muznut 54]

I have no problems getting brass and the 450 brass is tougher 48gr of 5744 and a 300gr bullet rocks.

According to my loading manuals, you are way over max with that 300 grain bullet. Please be careful, if you want to shoot 45-70 levels, then get a 45-70. Tougher brass, means less case capacity. The same problem happens with my 444 Marlin squirrel rifle, the brass is thicker and smaller in diameter, so it can not make the same velocity with similar bullet weight. It does not mean the 450 or the 444 are no good, it just means they just will not do what a 45-70 can do. Either one will take any game animal on the North American continent and do it with authority, as long as you keep ranges reasonable. How dead is dead? Again, please be careful. If you really need a higher level of power, then get a different gun that can do it safely.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

Thanks for your concern, but you don't know what your talking about. The load I'm shooting is 40k.  I didn't pull that out of my hat I called western powders and that's the max data they gave me for a 450m the same as their 4570 ruger#1 data. If you think the little extra ring of brass on a 4570 that the only purpose is for extraction will help you load to a higher pressure level your wrong. Trust me if you loaded to a pressure that would cause failure with an H&R action 450m that little rim off brass on a 4570 would peen over like it wasn't even there. I can load my 450m H&R to any pressure and power of any H&R 4570.

[muznut 54]

I wanted to point out that I was talking about a 300gr jacketed bullet. 48gr of 5744 would probably be too much for a lead bullet.