What you guys in the NW are up against

[Sourdough]

Wish I could say this is Alaska, but it's not.  This is in Idaho.  Got this in an E-mail from a friend.  How many people are going to have to die before people realize there was a reason our grandfathers killed them all off in the lower 48.  These animals are intelligent killing machines.

 
Here is the E-mail:
People wonder how a little old wolf can kill a big bull elk.  Well wonder no more.This wolf was shot  in the Salmon area of Idaho . This is one BIG Wolf....This is what we are up against in Idaho , Montana , Wyoming and Oregon ,  These big wolves are eating everything in their wake and expanding their territory faster than we can keep track of them.WOW!!!!!!
Who is afraid of the "Big Bad Wolf?"
Those wolves don't bother anything or anybody???  Guess again.  The person who sent me this one lives near Challis.

Heidi Leavitt shot this wolf just outside their home down river at Spring Creek.  Heidi was in the store and said that they have had a pack running around their place and decided when they heard about them coming their way again, they would try and shoot one (she did have a tag).  So the next time came quickly and while waiting for the pack to get closer, they looked in the woods below them and there was this wolf.
He weighed 127 lbs and was a collared wolf and by the time they got it to Fish & Game (which is probably an 1.5 hr drive), Fish & Game already knew about the wolf and said they had been looking for him.  He is now skinned and hanging at their place.The wolf pack had been terrorizing campers lately.  Had a couple of guys treed in the cab of their pickup all night at Colson Creek campground.  Not afraid of human campsites at all.

[nw_hunter]

They have already crossed the Columbia river and have been reported seen in Oregon.One was found shot I believe.
Most of the hunters I know are not willing to share the woods with these killing machines.

First it was outlaw hunting Cougar with dogs in Oregon. The Cougar populations have exploded, and they are seen quite frequently in and near populated areas. Our grade school here in Sw Oregon reported one near the playground last year.

It's only a matter of time that attacks will be reported.The deer populations are decreasing as a result, and more livestock have become the meal of choice. Soon it will be family pets, and our children. Not enough cougar to satisfy these MORONS (Excuse me!) Game Biologists  , so now they introduce another large predator to the mix.

[powderman]

It's coyotes here. We have a bit of snow and I took a walk today. No deer tracks, one rabbit, one squirrel, several turkey tracks and mainly coyote tracks. They have pretty well killed the foxes we used to have around here. I really don't want any wolves here, especially like the one shown. There are reportedly some red wolves here in Ky but I have not seen any and they are not nearly that big. POWDERMAN. 

[Sourdough]

Powderman:  I was reading an article in the last month or so, about the Coyotes in Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia.  I do believe this article was in National Geographic.  Coyotes in those states have been crossing with the Red Wolf, and the hybrid is larger with heavier stronger jaws, larger stature, and much more aggressive.  So don't think you guys in Kentucky are out of the problem either.  Wild K-9s are going to be the next major wildlife problem the people in the lower 48 will have to handle.  And you guys are going to have to fight people like Priscellia Farrell (President of Friends Of Animals), Defenders of Wildlife, and other groups, all the way.    In the meantime remember the three Ss.  Rog

[powderman]

SOURDOUGH. Wild dog packs were a big problem over 20 years ago. A man on the next farm over was drug off of his tractor by a pack, an armed neighbor rescued him. We went to war on these packs and killed them all. A pack of 6 tried to take me while I was hunting one winter. If it hadn't been for my old collie dog they would have had me. They came from behind and I didn't see them til my old dog ran past me right into their jaws. I killed a couple and the rest ran off. I had to carry my dog home, they chewed her up pretty bad, she lived though. She willingly sacrificed herself for me. The coyotes I've seen are pretty good sized, they may be crosses. POWDERMAN. 

[Pat/Rick]

nw hunter, yep crossing the Columbia. Wolves were put on the yakima reservation a couple years ago. The state wants to put some more near Mt St helens to control the Elk population in the national volcanic site (can't allow hunting ya know). Our hunting regs here in WA state that wolves are protected, we'll see.

[nw_hunter]

nw hunter, yep crossing the Columbia. Wolves were put on the yakima reservation a couple years ago. The state wants to put some more near Mt St helens to control the Elk population in the national volcanic site (can't allow hunting ya know). Our hunting regs here in WA state that wolves are protected, we'll see.

Yes we will

[Sourdough]

Back in the late 60s we had problems with feral dogs in Tennessee.  I spent two weeks hunting and killing dogs up near my Grandparents place.  My girl friends father ran a dairy farm, in three days we killed 14 dogs trying to get into the calving pens.  That's when I fell in love with the 30-06.

People used to drop dogs off on the road in front of my grandfathers farm.  He usually shot them when they went near the chicken coop.  One day a couple from Nashville drove by real slow.  Down the road they turned around and stopped.  They put a large dog out and took off fast leaving the dog.  My Grandfather raised his rifle and shot the dog, just as the car was passing the house.  Suddenly the car stopped and the woman got out screaming.  "How could you shoot such a wonderful dog".  My grandpa replied, "If it was so wonderful why did you not want to keep it?  The buzzards now get a good meal.  Now get out of here before I call the Sherriff".

[magooch]

And it ain't just land animals that are involved with extreme predation.  Sea lions and seals in the Columbia River and some of its tributaries have been devastating our salmon runs for years and now they threaten to obliterate the sturgeon population.  The wild animal huggers say they are all entitled to their share.  Last time I checked, the sea lions haven't paid a dime in taxes, or fees to operate the salmon hatcheries.  The biologists say the sea lions only take approximately the same as the sports fishermen.  I say, bullcrap.  I am a kayaker and spend a lot of hours on the rivers and I see what these killing machines do.  These 3000 lb. monsters get their bellies full and then just start killing fish for the sport of it.

And besides all that, sea lions give me the creeps when I'm out there paddling.  I don't even like harbor seals; they can scare the crap out of ya when they come up along side and splash. 

[beerbelly]

Coyotes in Alabama, this is a helthy looking Coyote.

[bulletstuffer]

The area around Ely MN is loaded with wolves.  Last year I camped there and heard the wolves howling close.  This was during deer season.  This year did some grouse hunting and heard 2 different packs howling at the same time while I was sneaking up a trail.  Deer hunted a different area up there this year and wow were there alot of wolf tracks in the fresh snow!  These areas were about 40 miles apart so there must be alot of them up there!

This happened to another hunter up in northern MN  

http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/70674092.html

Spoke to friends in North Dakota and they say they are seeing more coyotes than usual there too.  I saw alot of coyotes myself in North Dakota chasing deer while deer hunting.  2 of them won't be chasing any more

Merry Christmas,

Bulletstuffer

[Conan The Librarian]

We have a wolf research center down the street from my house. They keep a few wolf-dog mixes in a separate area and the people that run the place say they are the most dangerous. They will go into the pens with the wolves, but they do not go into the pens with the wolf-dog mixes. They have a special procedure for maintaining those critters.

Mostly, our varmints are politicians, though. Lots more annoying than anything else I can think of here.

There are more coyotes all the time, but those coyotes stay true to form and are pretty elusive.

[goofyoldfart]

Dan Stark, a DNR wolf specialist, said he hasn't received more calls about human-wolf encounters. Surveys done in 2007-2008 estimate the state's wolf population at about 3,000. It's unknown if that number has increased since then.

"He [Starr] said fire some shots to scare them. I told him I had done that,'' Wundinich said. "He said to leave the deer.''

After a while, he fired two more shots, then reloaded his rifle. "I told him if I was attacked, I would shoot,'' Wundinich said. Wolves are protected and managed under the federal Endangered Species Act, but people can kill them to defend themselves.

Taking the first quote into consideration--Sounds pretty damn dumb to me, especially from a DNR specialist. Wolves breed just like dogs and proliferate. 3000 is a large amount to breed. As for the 2nd quote--DUH. they're keeping me in the tree and I'm supposed to just let the puppies have my deer? sounds like a good time to get some fur to add to the parka for cold weather. Maybe I don't want to sit in the tree until AFTER DARK with all those cute little fur bearing puppies around. you are damn right I'll protect myself. preemptive first strike so that I can go home safe. After all, they "Probably did attack me" . God Bless to all.

                            Goofy.    P.S. I have a strong survival instinct. I don't like my A&$ bitten at ALL.

[Pat/Rick]

magooch, I'll second that, I live just a couple miles from Bonneville dam and have watched sea lions rip the bellies out of salmon and leave 'em to float down stream. The only thing eating them then are the seagulls. Sea lions are VERY destructive animals. Another sea lion/seal problem is in Puget Sound. I have seen them surface/jump onto moored boats and sink them.

 goofy, preemptive strikes. Yep, thats my plan.NEVER go out there unarmed. Wolves/coyotes, seems I just can't tell the difference   .  If your wolf population is 3000+/-, if one fourth were breeding females, wouldn't they theoretically double their population in a couple years? (@750 times 4). Since here in WA there is no more cougar or bear hunting  with dogs our numbers have gone up as well, deer numbers are down way far from my observations while hunting/scouting, found more "kills" this year than any other. As stated earlier, if wolves are "transplanted" near Mt St Helens, we should start seeing wolves in the surrounding area in a few short years. Shoot and walk away.

[blind ear]

goofeyoldfart, if I fired a shot to scare them, I bet I'm likely to scare one to death.

We have taken man as a preadator out of the picture. Man would hunt wolf, bear, sea lion and most any other animal made out of meat. We don't do that any more as a species. These critters need to be controled as well as protected.

ear

[no guns here]

I live on Lackland AFB in San Antonio, TX.  There is a pack of 'yotes running the base now.  They live in the trees and fields behind my housing area.  Every night when the Giant Voice (that's it's name) plays Taps, by the second note they are howling and yipping.  Lasts for a minute or so after taps.  Two nights ago, they were very close to the house, sounded like they were within 100 yards or less (maybe much less, there is a tree line about 30 yards back).  Normally they don't wake me up but that night they did.  Sure wish it was permissible to knock a few off.  A friend who is a runner says that he sees them every couple of mornings while running.  He said that they don't run, just stand in the field and watch him run on by.  I told him you might want to carry a stick or something (of course on federal installations our right to carry a ccw is restricted).  Maybe he shouldn't run back there but stay in housing areas.  I worry about the little kids that play outside at dusk and after.  Then there is the whole thing about the youngsters walking to school early in the morning.  Sure would be easier to smoke a song dog or three than to lose a kid...  I've considered using a crossbow and trying to bait them up close to my fence and shooting through my fence, but I'm too close to retirement to go through the hassle if I got caught.


NGH

[goofyoldfart]

goofeyoldfart, if I fired a shot to scare them, I bet I'm likely to scare one to death. Blindear, trust me brother, I understand your point. if one shot to scare, multiple scares might be better. HUMMMMM. Wonder if my lever gun could sound like an auto?

have to agree with ya' Pat/rick. Not sure how the numbers would rack up due to winter deaths Et Al, but I'm betting there would be many more Husky little "puppies". But look at the good side-----all that fur, coy or otherwise, makes great ruffs around a hood on your parka.   Durnnit, and here I thought that to be a coy doggie!!  God Bless to all.

                    Goofy <aka GOF>

[briarpatch]

Guys what you are seeing is the systematic depopulation of game animals. The government along with a mandate from the u n will see to the decline. Simplly by increasing the number of preditors that do not put back into the system, such as the human hunter.
The natural preditor is lethal, efficent, and everywhere now. The government can control where and how they thrive all on the taxpayer and hunters dime.  (will you agree the deer population is crashing in a lot of areas while the preditor is increasing but the government turns a blind eye.)
When you can no longer hunt in your state because of game depopulation. What good is your gun? If it is no good then give it up.
It is the millions of hunters that somewhat has the gun vote. That will change in the next few years or less.
    If this to far fetched for you. Look up what happened to the Indian and the buffalo. If you look in the right place you will find the government inflated and held up the price of buffalo hides and gave free ammo to any that would hunt the buffalo. This eliminated the Indian because he had for thousands of years relied on the buffalo for food and shelter. When it was gone so was the Indian. 
(The elite dont care about animals they are convinent tools like young men in war.)
Do you really think the people that are controlling the wolves and yotes dont know what they are doing to the deer population?

[oldandslow]

I knew wolves got big but until seeing that picture I didn't realize just how big.

I've never seen a wolf in the wild and doubt I ever will as we don't have them. I'm sure a pack could put me up a tree but I wouldn't be shooting to scare them. When I finished shooting I wouldn't talk about it either. I'd just do what it took to remove the threat to me.

[Pat/Rick]

briarpatch,+1.  I have often thought just that. What a way to end hunting by man. Maybe the antis and eco sicko's are so keen on wolf repopulation as an attempt to deny hunting to us evil guys with guns?  No game, no need to own guns. Other side of the coin though, if there is no game to hunt, we still want to exercise our God given right of protection, from out of control predator numbers perhaps?  Besides, the 2nd A isn't about duck hunting.Too coin a phrase. 

[blind ear]

Preadators, leave um layin. ear

[bigswede]

What a beautiful picture, there is nothing prettier than a dead wolf.  I live in the St. Joe river valley of North Idaho.  We have those filthy vermin as bad or worse than anywhere.  We can't hunt deer or elk without seeing tracks, and the populations are declining rapidly.  The critters also act differently.  When the elk come down in the spring they now will stay in fields and meadows next to houses and the highway 24/7.  I think they must feel a little safer knowing we will protect them that time of the year.  Even the whitetails when jumped during hunting season use to run a little ways and hide in the thick stuff, now they'll take off into the next drainage when spooked.  I now have to pack a gun everytime I walk my dogs and take my kid in the woods.  If the antis think the wolves are so pretty to look at out west in the mountains why wouldn't they look just as good in all the states, heck why not Central Park and the Hollywood hills why we are at it.  Just remember we can all do our part, wolves are born with a natural lead deficiency, so please do your part and help and make sure they all get there vitamins.

[magooch]

I'm all for turning wolves loose in some of our poopulation areas.  A good place to start would be Washington D.C.; followed by south Chicago,  L A, and some parts of New York City.  I would also add San Fransico, Philadelphia, Baston, Portland and Seattle.

[powderman]

A few years ago a good friend killed a nice buck, by the time he got it field dressed it was almost dark. He went to get his brother to help him drag it out. They left their rifles in the truck and took only flashlights and a pistol with them. When they got close they saw that his deer was being ripped by a pack of about a doz hungry yotes. He fired his pistol to run them off, they attacked instead and put them both up the same tree. Dale had his cell and called for help. After about an hour several well armed neighbors came and got them and what was left of his buck. They killed several yotes before the rest left. POWDERMAN.