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Offline demented

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Harvester vs MMP sabots...
« on: December 23, 2010, 07:28:27 PM »
 I confess being one of those "buy and try" anything and everything people, to prove this I just bought a couple hundred ribbed Harvesters to try even though I've had no  problems with MMP.  Harvesters claims of easier loading caught my fancy soooo.......  Did I just waste yet more money for a gimmick thats no better or even worse that what I had?

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Re: Harvester vs MMP sabots...
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2010, 01:30:46 AM »
I cn not compare, as I have never used mmp sabots.  Maybe that is because I have great success with Harvestor crush rib.  They are easier ot load, but they are still tight enough to function.
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Re: Harvester vs MMP sabots...
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2010, 01:54:55 AM »
Your rifle will let you know if it likes the Crush Rib Sabot's or not, but they are very good sabot's in the right rifles with the right bullets. They are one of my favorites.
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Re: Harvester vs MMP sabots...
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2010, 02:12:25 AM »
if your gun does not like them, let me know.  I will buy them off you if they are the green 44 cal bullets
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Re: Harvester vs MMP sabots...
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 05:33:03 PM »
If you have a "tight" bore, like my T/C Triumph,  the Havester ribbed sabot is the answer to easy and accurate loading. Call them. They will be happy to help you.

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Re: Harvester vs MMP sabots...
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 01:48:30 AM »
 My rifle is a Knight, have no idea if its considered a tight bore but MMP's sometimes are a bear to load even with a squeaky clean bore.  I may like the Crush Rib Harvesters if they shoot no worse than what I'm using.  Which really isn't all that good.....

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Re: Harvester vs MMP sabots...
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 07:28:15 AM »
demented

Let me start off by saying I am a MMP shooter... there that tells you I am biased from the start so consider that.

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My rifle is a Knight, have no idea if its considered a tight bore but MMP's sometimes are a bear to load even with a squeaky clean bore.

I have several Knight rifles and I shoot the black MMP HPH-12, they load with pressure but nothing undo... Two hands on the rod and 35-4-#'s of pressure and they go right down.

With what you are describing I would bet that you might have some Black MMP HPH-12 sabots.  They would definitely require MORE pressure to get down.

Busta's comment is right in line they are a very good sabot (Harvester Crush Rib) although i really do not prefer them.  But remember I do not have a rifle that requires them or the MMP counter part the HPH-3p-EZ-Load.  I found when I shot the CR I had no problem with acciracy but i did loose velocity.  When I ran the same test with the 3p - they shot equally well but did not loose the velocity that the CR's did.  But remember the bettersabot for me is the slightly thicker HPH-24.

These are also just my thoughts.... I believe there formulas that they use to conjure up their polymeres for the sabots are different also.  It seems to me that the Harvesters operate better in warmer temperatures.  They seem to hold their form better.  I use the MMP because of the temps that I normally hunt in.  In the colder weather the MMP loads better and conforms or sinks into the lands and grooves of the bore better.  Hot barrels and hot weather are really tough on MMP's.  That is just my observation and thoughts.


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