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Offline Hafast

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Advice Needed
« on: January 04, 2011, 06:39:17 AM »
I am going prairie dog shooting this spring. The guide tells me to be prepared for 250+ yard shots in 15 to 30 mph winds. I want to use my Contenders, a G1 and G2. I have 14 inch barrels in 22K Hornet, 223 Rem, and 30-30. The 22 caliber barrels are capable of 0.75" at 100 yards. Can someone recommend a better choice of calibers for the extended ranges? I also have a rifle stock set if I need to go to a longer barrel. Thanks in advance for your consideration.
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Re: Advice Needed
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 06:56:27 AM »
I have been going the past 5 or 6 years.

If you reload 22-250 is a good choice.
If you don't reload I would stick with the .223 you will be shooting A LOT. Might look around for a fast 1/9 rate rifle barrel for heaver bullets (65grn)
A number of folks have been shooting the 17HMR for the closer shots to save on ammo.
I shoot between 200-300 rounds a day and with anything like a .243 your going to feel it on the second day. But I was shooting a 20" bull barrel AR you might not shoot as much.

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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 06:59:56 AM »
Whats wrong with .223 out to 250-300yds?  I think many would call out the .204 or .22-250 as the top dog.  .223 should do just fine and you don't have to buy another barrel.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 07:41:48 AM »
In the G1 and G2 platform IMHO the 223 will serve you well. If you were shooting an Encore you can go as mild or wild as you want. Good luck on your hunt.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 08:44:43 AM »
With 14" Barrels in the Contender Platform I would opt for the .22 K Hornet and the .223 that you already have. In the Contender Platform you could increase your range some with something like the .204 but while I have never shot one I have often read that the muzzle blast from a 14" Handgun Barrel is something to behold.

With the proper load, optics and a portable shooting bench I have taken Prairie Dogs at ranges farther than you are talking about. I use 3x12x Burris LER Handgun Scopes on my Varmint Handguns, Harris BR Bipods with a sandbag under the grip and shoot from a Portable Shooting Bench with folding 1" steel square tubing legs that I made.

300 yards was quite do-able and I have connected farther than that on PD's. The key in my opinion is using a bullet that is going to perform at the velocities possible from the shorter barrels. A couple favorite bullets have been the old 52gr. Speer Flat Base Hollow Point (not the match bullet but the one with the huge hollow point) and 40gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips. I have intended on trying the 50gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips in the .223 Super 14, just haven't as yet.

To my knowledge Fast Twist .223 Contender Barrels are a custom proposition as T/C does not produce Contender Barrels with that twist rate that I know of.

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 03:47:30 PM »
I would be amazed if the muzzle blast from a 14" .204 is remotely close to a M44 Mosin Nagant shooting 7.62x54R.

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 07:18:29 AM »
SD Handgunner: PM sent. To other posters: Thanks for your input.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 10:02:55 AM »
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Re: Advice Needed
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 10:41:27 AM »
I am going prairie dog shooting this spring. The guide tells me to be prepared for 250+ yard shots in 15 to 30 mph winds. I want to use my Contenders, a G1 and G2. I have 14 inch barrels in 22K Hornet, 223 Rem, and 30-30. The 22 caliber barrels are capable of 0.75" at 100 yards. Can someone recommend a better choice of calibers for the extended ranges? I also have a rifle stock set if I need to go to a longer barrel. Thanks in advance for your consideration.

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 11:53:21 PM »
Stick with the .223. The 22-250 should not be used with the older Contender unless down loaded. Thus, it would be no better than your .223.

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2011, 09:38:46 AM »
I have shot PDs on numerous occasions with a G1 Contender in .223 with good results.  Good results for me, that is.  It was very bad for the prarie dogs.

IMO, there isn't much better of a choice in the Contender platform, ESPECIALLY when you factor in the ability to handload the round for better performance in the wind.  You can also handload a light bullet for flatter shooting performance should it happen to be calmer, or if shooting in early AM or evening.

The .204, from what I've seen, suffers too much in the wind.  It's not that it's not a good round, it's just it seems very wind-sensitive and in PD shooting you have to live with the wind because it seems like it's always a factor and especially so with handguns.

In PD shooting most people also have to factor in the recoil and the cost.  For these reasons, the 30-30 is a no go, it would cost a fortune to send .30 cal slugs downrange for several days, even if your arm could handle the recoil. 

If you've got a couple of hundred clams burning a hole in your pocket, here's what I'd spend it on:

- Handloading equipment (if you don't already have it).
- High quality binocs.  An absolute necessity for PDs.  I personally don't find a spotting scope to be as helpful because of the constant need to take it down and put it back up again.   YMMV.
- A good bipod.
- A reliable and comfortable ammo belt/pouch the has a seperate compartment for live ammo and one for the brass.  If possible, find one that will allow you to sit down without spilling the contents.

Grouse