Author Topic: up to 500 $ to spend! (Read 1167 times)

b23ball23 · « **on:** December 07, 2003, 07:34:42 AM »

i am looking for a very hight quality air gun that is .22 or .177caliber. I will hunt small game(squirrles birds, exct) and will shoot some targets. I have looked at many guns but do not know what to get. That you for your input.

I want a gun that is very accurate of course :grin: and a lot of range

god bless
ben

Lawdog · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2003, 10:30:14 AM »

b23ball23,

First let me Welcome you to Graybeard Outdoors, the best outdoor forum for hunters/shooters on the net.

A $500.00 limit is hard to work with but here it goes. At the moment Airgun Express, http://www.airgunexpress.com/beemanblemsrifles.htm, has two Beeman R1's in the Blem department(usually a minor flaw in the stock finish or in the bluing) in .177 cal. for $400.00 and a .20 cal. for $429.00. I prefer the .20 as the best all around caliber for pellet guns. By this I mean it works very well for targets as well for the taking of small game/pests. I used a .20 for the longest kill on a Jack Rabbit I ever made just over 90 yards).

Got to Airgun Express's RWS Demo page,
http://www.airgunexpress.com/rwsdemosrifles.htm, and they had a good list of RWS rifles there. For hunting small game I don't really care for the .177 caliber although it does work but it does limit you in energy. RWS has announced that they have included the .20 in their model 34. This is a good solid choice and it will leave you room for a good quality air rifle rated scope which is mandatory for magnum model springers. Check out all the air rifle makes at Airgun Express at http://www.airgunexpress.com/rwsairrifles.htm, good people to work with. Hope this helps you. Lawdog

DeeGee · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2003, 02:27:06 AM »

Reading these posts with interest. I'm wondering what the criteria would be for choosing a side cocking or break barrel cocking for the spring piston units. One technique repuires more effort? Weak or old timers like myself would have more difficulty with one technique over the other?
DG

Dand · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2003, 02:02:43 PM »

I've only been into airguns for about a year but I'm really enjoying it. One thing I've learned is that if you are serious about accurate shooting you are likely to want a good scope. Often the scopes on some folks' airguns are more expensive than the gun. And you need a GOOD scope if you go with powerful springer air guns. Seems like the Beeman R9 is a very popular gun with a top quality trigger - all the Beemans with Record triggers are very nice. I've got a third hand BSA supersport that I'm still learning about. Plenty of power but I'm still learning how to shoot it accurately. Then there are theWebley Longbow and Xocet. With careful shopping you might find one that will leave you enough money to get a decent scope. You might want to consider going with a used gun. There is the "American Airguns Classified" web site that offers a lot of choices. I see right now Russ Best is selling a couple guns. He is a very prominent airgun tuner and I'd expect anything he's selling is pretty good - or he'll tell you if it isn't.

Do a lot of reading on this and other air gun forums and you'll probably get a better idea of what's out there and what you can do with your budget. I sure was amazed that airgunning can be as spendy as firearms - more so often times.

Good luck.

b23ball23 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:49:30 AM »

thnks for your help

Anyone no any thing on the talon ss?

i'm still looking for a gun with a lot of accuracy and range so please help!!!

ben

b23ball23 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:56:53 AM »

thanks for your help

Anyone no any thing on the talon ss?

i'm still looking for a gun with a lot of accuracy and range so please help!!!

ben

b23ball23 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:00:28 PM »

thanks for the help
anyone know anything about the talon ss?

still looking for a gun ..so please help

ben :grin:

b23ball23 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:03:08 PM »

thanks for the help
anyone know anything about the talon ss?

still looking for a gun ..so please help

ben:)

b23ball23 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:05:43 PM »

sorry guys i clicked it once too mant times :?

b23ball23 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:43:45 PM »

anyone know the accuracy compairison of a rws model 52 and the beeman r9 goldfinger?

also would like to know the range comparison too

thanks guys- as you can see i'm eager to get a good gun

god bless
ben

Lawdog · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2003, 09:14:16 AM »

b23ball23,

If you got to http://www.straightshooters.com/ they do some of the best reports on air rifles. One thing is for the added dollar amount I don't think that a gold platted trigger is worth the extra money over the standard R9. Lawdog

b23ball23 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2003, 11:54:21 AM »

i went to strait shooters and i must say...great site!!!
the r9 seems very nice.
the r9 with the swift 4-12x40 scope and .20 caliber pellet sampler for 491$
seems like agreat gun for all my adventures

one question: what would be the biggest animal i could take out with it?
thankx guys

if you support me.......tell me if not...tell me another choice of rifle

god bless

ben
ps:is a .20caliber any different in accuracy than the .177?

Lawdog · « **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2003, 10:54:13 AM »

b23ball23,

I think the .20 is the best of both worlds, pest/small game hunting and target work. I know a gal that killed a large tom turkey with her .20 R9. My wife has taken her turkey last spring using a .20 Beeman Super 12. I have taken two turkeys with my Crow Magnum IV using .20 Crow Magnum pellets. I have also killed a nice boar raccoon using the same load. The .20 is a very effective caliber for a pellet rifle. You could do much, much worse than the Beeman R9. Lawdog

b23ball23 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2003, 11:42:05 AM »

thanks for your help
i think i can spend up to 650$$ now
any guns that would be better than the r9 now?
thanks
ben

DSchmeck · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2003, 05:27:33 PM »

Air Arms Pro-Elite .22 which I narrowly chose over the Beeman RX 2.

lindylars · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2003, 07:10:11 PM »

Hi Ben -- something that you may or may not have considered, depending on what you mean exactly by "will shoot some targets" you may want to note that for NRA sanctioned/Olympic-style competitions .177 is the standard limit, at least by current definitions. Some general info can be viewed here.

Being a classified high power shooter from a previous life, this was a significant part of my personal "target shooting/get rid of the occasional overly obnoxious tree rat" train of thought and what made me decide on a demo RWS Model 36 in .177 at Air Gun Express (for $173.--). Otherwise I would have loved to have looked harder at the .20 or .22 models mentioned elsewhere on the forum. On a side note, Air Gun Express does currently have a demo RWS 350 (in .177 though) for $269.--, which I would have loved to have gone for :cry: At that rate, with your $500-650 budget, you would have room for some of the nicer airgun rated scopes mentioned on the forum in the $200-400 range. Otherwise, as you can see for yourself here, AGE does have some demo .22s and a 9mm single shot (folks, I'm assuming this is a Career 9mm PCP? -- if so reviewcentre.com had some interesting reviews).

Just some food for thought.

Best regards,
Ron

Lawdog · « **Reply #16 on:** December 13, 2003, 08:32:25 AM »

Ron,

You're right about the .177 being the caliber for sanctioned NRA air rifle events, be it target or metallic silhouette. Some events also limit you on the power of your rifle(fps.). Also go to Compasseco Inc. at http://www.compasseco.com/ this is another good place to buy air rifle and supplies. I just placed an order with them for one of their Tech Force 99M in .22 caliber for a truck rifle. I will feel a heck of a lot better about leaving the 99M locked up in my truck than one of my PCP rifles. I'm going to mount a BSA air rifle scope on it so the total should be under $250.00. I'll let you fellows know how it works out. Lawdog

b23ball23 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 14, 2003, 03:47:45 AM »

pcp guns seem nice but isn't their lots of extra money involed in getting a pump and a tank...and all those adapters???
i will probably not do target tournaments, unless against my friends
i love the look of the talon ss and if i get that i can also end up saving for the 24' barrel
what do you guys think
god bless
ben

ps:i do have a compressed air tank (carbon fiber) that i used for paintball...will this work for a pcp gun?

Lawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** December 14, 2003, 08:57:11 AM »

b23ball23,

Yes, there is more that goes along with shooting a PCP then just shooting. Most use a scuba tank as a power supply for the rifle of it's changeable bottles. Both the wife's Super 12 and my Rapid 12/250 use 400 cc changeable bottles. We carry a spare bottle each when ever we go hunting. We re-fill these bottles from a scuba tank. The scuba tank is re-filled by either taking it to a dive shop($2 to $5 depending on where you take it) or do it yourself with either a hand pump(hard way but the cheapest way) or using a electric pump(easy way but the most expensive way due to cost of the pump). Electric pumps can and will run you up to $1,000.00. I bought my electric pump from a dive shop that was going out of business for $225.00. The good points to a PCP is they give constant power, very powerful, are accurate and have basically no recoil. Main drawback to them is their cost. Good ones expect to pay from $750.00 to $5,000.0 for custom jobs from builders like Quackenbush. As far as the bottle you have it all depends on it's size, whether or not it will match up to what type of PCP rifle you have. Hope this helped, if not feel free to ask away. Lawdog

b23ball23 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 14, 2003, 09:23:46 AM »

thanks a bunch......now what do they fill the tanks with...co2 or regular compressed air or something else?
my tank is 68 cu.in. with 3000psi
i do have an electric pump to pump up car tires??
what do you think about the talon ss?
thanks a whole lot
ben

Lawdog · « **Reply #20 on:** December 15, 2003, 09:54:31 AM »

b23ball23,

You can't use your air compressor that you use for pumping up tires. It must be compressed air like used by divers. Sorry. I have never fired a Talon SS so I have no opinion of them. Maybe someone else can help you with them? Lawdog

b23ball23 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 16, 2003, 09:37:59 AM »

thanks, i am now looking into getting a centerfire rifle to get the range and power i want.....thanks for your help