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1903 Springfield Sporters last one
« on: April 13, 2011, 12:13:23 PM »
In cleaning out my shop, have the last 1903 Springfield glass bedded and range tested.   This is the last rifle I intend to put together, it is already sold.

High Number 1903 Springfield Receiver made in late 1918, Springfield Sniper low scope bolt World War II vintage.
two-groove barrel made 1-1944, installed at minimum head space.  Extractor slot lined up perfectly, chamber needed to be deepened by just about .005 thousanths with a finish reamer.  This was a new barrel never fitted to an action.

Range test scope 24 power Leupold in Redfield rings and a Redfield one piece mount.

Bell and Carson Carbolite stock.

Test load 150 Grain Nosler Ballistic Tips at 100 yards.

3 shot group at .751 inch.

5 shot group at  1.032 inch.

For accuracy comparion my 1931 Nickel Steel Springfield with the original 4 groove barrel 19 inches long in a full length glass bedded Mannlicher stock.

Test Load  150 grain Hornady.

3 shot group at .592 inch

Test load 130 grain Speer

3 shot group at .532 inch

I have sporterized half a dozen Springfield 03's and yet to have one that would not group under 1 inch at 100 yards.  Have found the Springfield Military barrels to be extremely accurate.  On the one above I purchased a stripped Receiver and install all the other parts for the rifle.

Question? what has yourexperience been with the 1903 Springfields with the military barrels from an accuracy standpoint.

From my viewpoint and experience they are equal to or better than the 1917 Enfields and much better than Mausers with the original military barrels from an accuracy standpoint.

By the way both the North Carolina and South Carolina Military rilfe competitions were won by two of my neighbors shooting Springfields with 2 groove barrels in the past.



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Re: 1903 Springfield Sporters last one
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 10:11:52 PM »
Haven't got another 1903A4 Sniper's bolt, have you? 
I used a two groove A4 with 10X Lyman to shoot respectable score at a thousand yards a few years back.  Used Frankford Arsenal FA59 NM ammunition in it, the stuff with the old 173 gr. BT fmj.
I foggily recall that the score was in the 180's with it.
The rig shot five rounds into about 3/4" at a hundred yards off the bags with the old Weaver 330/M73B1 mounted.  Much better performance than the equipment might suggest.
Another rifle I used was a Springfield Armory 1903 with SA33 barrel mounted to it, with Lyman long slide 48 at the rear, and 17A front sight.  It may be one of the sales rifles that the Gov't sold those days, I've since rounded up the headless cocking piece, and reverse safety, as well as had trigger work done to get it to a crisp, clean breaking 3.5 pounds.  With my tired eyes, it'll shoot that old NM ammunition into about an inch and a half in the bags.  Might have to get one of my hot-shot kids or grandkids to give it a good working out and see what it'll actually do.
I'm putting together an original 1903A4 that had been sporterized, previous owner had shortened the barrel, so I've replaced it with a new-in-the-wrap High Standard replacement barrel from late 1943.  I've used these barrels, as well as the four and six groove HS barrels that were supplied to Smith Corona, and by and large, they shoot a notch or two above the Remingtons, and on par with the Springfield Armory "star gauge" barrels I've owned.
What I've found with original 03's and A3's is that to get the best accuracy out of the military configuration, bedding has much more to do with how they shoot than almost anything else.  Barrel condition, that is, one that's been abused, damaged, or neglected, of course, won't shoot very well, some I've had wouldn't hit the inside of a barn.  Most though, even with some pitting, will still shoot long-shanked round nosed bullets like the Hornady 220 gr. RN very well.
Not sure that I'd make a blanket statement that all 03's will outshoot all 1917's.  I've seen some of the "off brand" US bolt guns shoot very, very well indeed!  Dad sportered a Remington 1917 he bought when he came back from Korea.  Full 26", five groove, left hand twist original barrel dated 1918, and in his stockwork and bedding, that rifle with Weaver K4 has shot several groups that hover around 3/8's of an inch.  I also had a 98 Krag that had been rebarreled with a 1917 "Enfield" barrel, a Winchester, if I recall correctly, and it had been scoped with a 2-7 Redfield.  That rifle, with Hornady 220 RN, and 'standard' load of IMR 4350 would shoot 3/8's inch groups, as well.
My experience with Mausers has been very limited with the original barrels installed.  One that I'm using at the moment is a delightful little rifle, a pre-war VZ33 small ring that came to me drilled and tapped, with Brownell's bolt handle installed, being the only modifications to it.  The best load I've worked up for it uses 4350 and 200 gr. Hornady's.  I have busted rock chucks at a lazer measured 340 yards, and it shoots well under an inch in the military stock with the handguard and all furniture installed.  I've had several of the older M98's that were done up  as 7X57's that shot so well it about broke my heart to have 'em broken down to make sporters in other calibers on.  By and large, though, I think that most of the surplus 98's you'll run across today, have had their guts shot out, were rode hard, put away wet, had parts swapped, and to find one that'll shoot with an 03 might be a tough job, indeed.  Originals, now, that might be a different story.  The bad guys were definitely NOT under-gunned!
I've seen some of the early Japanese 6.5's done up as sporters, and THEY shoot much better than you would expect.  Heck, some of the Soviet rifles shoot well, too!
Really, though, do you have another A4 bolt???
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Re: 1903 Springfield Sporters last one
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2011, 04:32:00 AM »
im looking for a beuhler low scope safety for a 1903 if you know anyone who has one.
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Re: 1903 Springfield Sporters last one
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2011, 07:28:32 AM »
I don't have another 1903/A4 bolt, only a 1903/A3 Remington unbent stripped bolt.   As to the Buehler low scope safety for a 1903, I'm looking for one also, though the original safety works ok with high scope rings.  Actually with the Bell and Carson stock, high rings work better for me.

Darreld, I have had 98 based Mausers with like new military barrels and they definately do not shoot as well as the Springfields or Enfields in my experience.  Rebarrel led Mausers with Douglas and Shaw barrels are a different story they will shoot with or out shoot the majority of new factory rifles today.  I have never built a sporter on a Mauser Action which  would not shoot below 3/4 inch groups with new Douglas or Shaw barrels.   I have .174 and .284 inch groups to prove it with a .35 Whelen and a 6.5 X 55 both with Shaw Barrels and .406 group with my 7x57 with a Douglas Barrel.  My 1914 (P14) Remington Enfield in .338 Mag's load development stopped with two back to back groups shot with 83 grains of H450 behind a 200 grain Speer with group sizes of .322 and .348.   With the Enfields long action  you  can seat the bullets out to touch the lands which improves accuracy, and still have the load work through the magazine, it also gives more room for the slow burning powders like H450 with the bullets seated long.

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Re: 1903 Springfield Sporters last one
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2011, 03:08:29 AM »
I suppose that the old adage "even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile" applies to this little VZ33.  Incredible shooter.  One exception to the original "Mauser" barrels not shooting as well thing has to apply to the 6.5 Swedes.  They WILL give an 03 a run for the money in a "vintage" military rifle match!  I've also used several of the "new" surplus Swede barrels on sporters, mostly to put on the large ring 98 Turks set up with the "small ring" barrel threads.  I have one on hand that is the wife's rifle set up in an older Fajen stock I found, glassed it from rear screw to forend tip, and that little bugger is the one I'd take to a turkey shoot!
I see that your SAC service was a bit ahead of my time!  I got to Malmstrom just in time to join the scramble to get all our Minuteman missiles "in the green" when the Russians went into the Med after the Israeli's and Egyptians had their little fracas in 1973.  There were a few other times between then and when I retired that the "pucker factor" rose up around 8.5-9!!!
Our wing issued extreme cold weather gear to all troops in Montana, No. Dakota, So. Dakota and Wyoming.  Good stuff, if a bit heavy and bulky.  Wish I could find a reliable source for some of the 'surplus' stuff that we used to wear!
As to the low scope safety issue on 03's, especially now that I'm clear out of Beuhler's, is to go with the side-safety aftermarket triggers.  There's a fella out in Oregon, who's making a Model 70 type swing safety for the 03.  I hear mixed reviews about how well they work, from absolutely wonderful, to needing to go back for refit.  A bit pricey when I checked them out, but they sure do look nice!http://www.edlapourgunsmithing.com/springfield-safety.jpg
I told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. "Make your life go here, son. Here's where the people is. Them mountains is for Indians and wild men." "Mother Gue", I says "the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world," and by God, I was right. Keep your nose in the wind and your eye along the skyline