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County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« on: February 18, 2014, 01:37:35 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/18/county-seeks-colo-couple-land-through-eminent-domain-to-preserve-open-space/
 
 County seeks Colo. couple's land through eminent domain to preserve open spacePublished February 18, 2014Associated Press            eminentdomainland.jpg                   Jan. 24, 2014: Andy and Ceil Barrie stand for a photo next to their mining cabin near Breckenridge, Colo.APThe view from the deck of the small, century-old cabin was a dream come true for Andy and Ceil Barrie -- a sweeping panorama of 13,000 and 14,000-foot peaks towering above the forest of centuries-old bristlecone pines.
It convinced the couple to buy a 3-bedroom home in a subdivision below, where they could live year-round, and the 10-acre parcel surrounding the cabin in the midst the White River National Forest. Now the county government, alarmed that the couple drives their ATV up a 1.2-mile old mining road to the cabin, wants to take the Barrie's land — and it's doing so by claiming eminent domain. Rather than using the practice of government seizure of private property to promote economic development, the county is using it to preserve open space.
 
The move shocked the Barries. They have allowed hikers to travel through their property, had no plans to develop the land and were negotiating with the county at the time it moved to condemn the property.
Open space "is all it's ever been," said Andy Barrie. "I feel like I can't trust my government."
Summit County Attorney Jeff Huntley said the county had to act after the Barries insisted on being able to use motorized transport to get to the cabin. "People in this community are very intent on preserving the back country," he said.
 
Experts in eminent domain say it's rare for governments to use that power to create parks or open space.
"It's not that you can't do it, but they don't do it much," said Dana Berliner, who was co-counsel in the 2005 U.S. Supreme Court case upholding the constitutionality of eminent domain. "There's typically other ways of doing open space than just taking land."
But in Colorado, where picturesque mountain towns are bursting with tourists and second-home-owners, and outdoor recreation is the state religion, there have been a few instances of cities deciding to confiscate land to preserve it.
The most significant was when Telluride in 2004 seized 572 acres that the owner wanted to develop along the San Miguel River and left it as open space. The state Supreme Court upheld the confiscation, saying that especially overcrowded mountain towns need to preserve their recreational and natural assets.
 
Breckenridge is the prototypical Colorado ski town that attracts hordes of ski bums, tourists and residents because of its position at the foot of the sweeping Tenmile range, swaddled in preserved land.
Among those it lured are the Barries, who run a firm that provides Christmas wreaths to nonprofits and have a residence in the Chicago suburbs.
The couple came to Colorado annually on golf trips with some of Andy's old high school pals.
On a 2011 journey, Ceil met friends in Breckenridge and found a restored cabin nestled in a woodsy subdivision just outside the town boundaries. It was a century-old property built on top of a creek that one could watch burble below through a transparent floor in the master bedroom. And it was for sale along with 10 acres just up the ridgeline.
 
The Barries stayed there that summer and hiked up the county open space trail on the old mining road behind the lower house, through the national forest, to the old cabin at tree line.
The view won them over. They decided to sell their second home on a Wisconsin lake and buy the lower and upper property in a package deal for $550,000. The transaction closed in late 2011 and came with a converted All-Terrain vehicle they could use to drive up the road in the winter.
That's when the trouble began.
The U S. Forest Service told the Barries they couldn't use a motorized vehicle on the road to access their 10 acres, which float like an island in the 2.1 million acres of the White River National Forest.
 
The Barries countered that they had a legal right to traverse the old road and prepared a court challenge. Summit County contacted the Barries and asked to buy the land. The Barries said it wasn't for sale.
The county commissioners voted to condemn the property on Oct. 25, endorsing a staff report that found that "public motorized access" to the property could damage the alpine tundra and streams, as well as habitat for the endangered lynx.
The county also discovered that the prior owner had illegally expanded the upper mining cabin by building its second story and deck. The Barries say they are pursuing legal action against the seller.
 
On a recent day, the Barries drove up the winding mining road to the cabin. Inside the compact, unheated structure was a set of bunk beds and a coffee table garnished with a copy of Cabin Life magazine, as well as a single light powered by a solar panel outside.
The Barries said they were frustrated. They would have happily demolished the cabin if needed -- they say they'd be happy to spend warm evenings up there in a yurt or tent -- and had been trying to give some of the land to conservation groups.
They spoke about how their children are now all in college and they hoped to relocate to Colorado as empty nesters.
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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 01:54:03 AM »
Eminent domain is a necessary tool for governments to create and construct needed infrastructure projects.  Used as such, it works well and is generally a just remedy to promote useful progress.  Lately, it has become a club with which to bludgeon landowners who are doing something that, while perfectly legal, other folks or officials don't agree with. 
 
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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 02:27:22 AM »
Wouldn't surprise me if A REAL ESTATE AGENT popped up in the background somewhere. They were behind most of the eminent domain seizures in the up east. (for the public good) ear
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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 08:54:58 AM »
Eminent domain has affected our family twice and neither time was it welcome.  The first time was when our farm was split in half by purchasing acreage for a boondoggle called the Natchez Trace.  The part that was bought  is neither the original Trace, or some kind of meandering antiquity of a road from days gone by.  It is a man made new road built through nowhere.  I suppose if folks want to pretend they are following the Trace then its their pretend business. We had to sell our cattle, take down our fences, hunt in more confined spaces and drive round about to access our other property.  We were not business oriented enough to make a good deal and took what was offered. 
The second time deals with the Keystone pipeline feeder lines that are being built under MS Delta farmland now.  Supposedly it will not interfere with crops, subsoiling, or renting or selling the properties.  We'll see.  We did better financially this time, settling for 5 times more than originally offered to make the deal.
Eminent domain is a touchy subject with me.  I understand it, but there is something irking about it.  As the Bible might say, 'it causeth my countenance to darken'.
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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2014, 09:09:43 AM »
TVA  made my grand mother sell her farm to them when the Tellico Dam was built..........guess what.....water never touched her land, but it now is lake front property with a golf course and country club built on it.  Bet someone sold it for more than the $200.00 an acre they gave my Granny.

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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2014, 09:14:06 AM »
mostly just a "legal" way to
run somebody off their property.
i've seen 'em do that for the
super conducting super collider
south of here, and just west of here
for jerry jones monument to himself.
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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2014, 10:04:14 AM »
I'm against anyone telling me what I can and can't do on my land.
But this couple isn't on their own land when they are using the road.
Sorta like me buying a house on a dead end street then get mad that they don't let me land my plane in the street because my land isn't big enough for a run way!
These people knew about no mortorized vechiles on the road.
So how did they expect to get to and from their home other than breaking the rules that were before they were.
 

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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 08:55:22 AM »
colo is now a joke. it should be called the communist territory of colo. there are so many laws and rules its rediculous. you can actually get a fine for drawing a bucket of water from a stream in places.not to mention that you dont even own the water that falls on your own roof.


guess who is makin the laws and rules? jonny come lately jakasses from the west coast.

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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 09:23:42 AM »
I have a buddy who lives up there in Colorado. I remember seeing this stuff starting to happen and talking to him about it years ago. His words were it'll never happen here. Guess we should learn something from this.
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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 07:19:19 AM »
The road through the forest is traditional old use access.  It is not like they blazed a new trail up to a newly built home.  White River is closing all the old trails, roads, and campsights they can.  Some counties (apparently not Summit) are putting county road signs on every deer track they can.
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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 08:04:30 AM »
if they've been using the road all
along, and it was already an established
road to the property, i think that legally
they have to be given continued access
to their landlocked property. my buddy
went through this not quite 30 years
ago with a piece of property that backed
up to his. the landowner had sold a small
lot at the back of his property and had
died with no legal wording of how access
was to be gained. the folks that bought it
finally some years later decided to sell
their landlocked parcel and was going
to sue my buddy for half of his road
to access the landlocked parcel. my
friend's attorney said that if he didn't
sell access that the judge might well
turn around and give it for free. his
term was "easement by necessity"

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Re: County may steal Colo couples land using eminent domain.
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2014, 09:30:55 AM »
If they give you way more than the value for your land, it ain't so bad.  No capital gains for friendly condemnation agreements.  Sell the same land to a real estate firm or private buyer and the gain is taxed.