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Offline RocklockI

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M1 Carbine
« on: December 26, 2010, 05:56:48 AM »
Hi new to this forum (Mil Surp) I am going to buy an M1 Carbine ,Ive owned one in the past but want another one .

Are there any M1 Carbine collectors here ?

I have a slew of questions relating to marking ,stock types ,4 rivet vs 2 rivet handgaurds ....on and on .

Thanks Gary
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2010, 08:35:59 PM »
I'm not very versed on the M-1, although I do own one. I think the best bet would be to buy one of the better books on collecting the carbine, lots of info in 'em, from a well proven source.
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 06:42:12 PM »
Gary,
I'm certainly not a "collector".  I've never got that bug.   All I want is a weapon that is in good functional condition and is a good shooter.  Mark is right as there are several good books on the carbine. Scott Duff's "War Baby" is one that comes to mind.  If you will search back through the pages on this board, you'll find some good information on the carbine as well as some links to the references you want.   What are looking to do?   If you want to restore a particular carbine to "all correct parts" then you will definitely will need one or more of these books.  There were nine different manufacturers of the carbine during it's production run.   Most of the parts under went several modifications as well. Every carbine went through at least one rebuild so it would a high probability that one could find an "original" is slim to none.   During an arsenal rebuild, every part was checked to specs a placed in a "good parts" bin without any regard as to manufacturer.   When being assembled, the folks just took all the parts out of the bins until they had a complete rifle.  The barrels were checked for throat erosion and muzzle wear and the head space was checked.   The rifles were then reissued.   In the late 50's and through the 60's the NRA sold the carbine through the CMP ( I don't recall what the name was then) to civilians.  I remember seeing ads in  gun magazines listing carbines for $79.00 and Garands for $89.00  Millions were given or sold to countries all over the free world.   There is no way to know the history of any particular rifle.   In recent years, some of these orphans were imported back into the U.S. some in pretty poor condition.   If you have access to anyone close to where you live that knows carbines or a gunsmith you can trust, have them check any weapon over before you buy.  There are some good deals out there as well as some junk.  You just have to go slowly and not cave in to the urge to "get one now".
I hope that all this has helped.

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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 01:05:26 PM »
cmp has a very good page on getting them accurate
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 07:46:07 PM »
Good Luck, Gary! They are going up in price. Research what you want and are looking for.
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 06:09:50 AM »

   Better buy a few 15 rd magazines, before new legislation is adopted.
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 07:26:19 AM »
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Better buy a few 15 rd magazines, before new legislation is adopted

And don't forget some of these new Korean 30 rounders.  I read that they have a redesigned follower that holds the bolt up on the last round.

Here is a list of some reference books, not listed in any particular order.  A good book that goes into individual manufacturer's USGI markings and that has tons of photos and charts is something you will find invaluable if you plan on doing more than just buying an M1 Carbine and shooting it.  You will want to know what the differences between a Type I barrel band and a Type II, what a hi wood vs. low wood stock is, etc.  If you're a history buff and you like to know about these things, you will be able to decipher your new Carbine when you get it with this info at your finger tips.  No one here can give you all of this info in this forum, there is just way too much of it.  We're talking pages and pages of charts, info and photos.  These books also cover the magazines, bayonets, mag pouches, slings, etc, and all of their sundry iterations.  Good luck and have fun. 

I started an NPM project a couple of years ago, and after much thought gave up on restoring it to it's original configuration - it was just going to cost way too dang much.  It had a broke front sight (ears ground off), the Type III rear sight was busted and the sling was disintegrating; so I replaced the front sight with an original NPM marked sight, put a mint Inland Type II rear sight on it and replaced the sling with one that wasn't about to fall apart. 

But I had fun researching all the parts and put together a spreadsheet detailing what each part's type was, its marking (manufacturer), and then what it should have had.  Hehe, very little matched.  It's got a Rock Ola op rod.

The M1 Carbine Owner's Guide
5th Revised Edition of U. S. Carbines, Wartime Production
Complete Guide To The M1 Garand And The M1 Carbine
War Baby
War Baby Comes Home
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 03:50:33 AM »
Here's some good news about the South Korean guns that Obama rejected:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6289

I think that most of them are carbines.  I feel most comfortable purchasing  through the CMP, they've been inspected and the prices are usually better than in the civilian market.  Lets hope that this passes!

Jim
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2011, 11:12:05 AM »
Hope it passes. As the M1 market has dried up. $700-$900 today at the gun show for rack grade mixed parts. Thigs don't come down I am going to buy a Kahr AO M1.

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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2011, 02:19:37 PM »
That sure makes the CMP rackers at $419 a good deal.
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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2011, 02:42:25 PM »
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That sure makes the CMP rackers at $419 a good deal

I wish, the CMP site says no more carbines expected and the few they have listed are auction only and have sold for $1500 for service grade. I went ahead an ordered a AO from Cheaper then dirt for $677. and $8 shipping.

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Re: M1 Carbine
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2011, 11:43:17 PM »
The CMP only receives rifles from one source, US Army depots.  The Army retrieves those weapons from countries to whom they were loaned.  South Korea actually bought and paid for those carbines and Garands, and won't come through the CMP.  If they're actually allowed back into the US, they'll come in after a wholesaler buys 'em, and be offered for sale like any other milsurp offered at retail or on the internet.
I haven't seen any "kits" for quite awhile.  Individual parts here and there, at places like Fulton Armory. 
http://fulton-armory.com/m1carbineparts.aspx
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