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Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« on: December 03, 2010, 03:18:03 PM »
My new year's resolution is to send in my 50 AE and get a 500 WE cylinder made for it.  Assuming I can find the money for this idea, I  might ditch the current barrel and put on an octagon.

But the question would be: what is the optimum barrel length for the 500 WE?   I'm thinking maybe 8 or 9 inches.  More weight, less recoil, and perhaps better use of all that powder for more velocity. 

Am I nuts? 

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2010, 08:50:46 PM »
When I purchased my FA the only thing I was really set on was that it be ordered new from the factory. From my 454 I knew the 6" barrel length was a good compromise between the portability of the 4" without some of the recoil sting. I figured if I had a choice, I would choose the 500 because it was unique. Though I know you want a answer to your question and not a diatribe, at the same time I'd also say the " optimum barrel length" is the one that you are comfortable shooting well. If you are shooting low velocity loads, of which there are many, IMO, you'll never really notice the difference in recoil. It just never becomes a factor. However, there is a point in which you start surpassing the limits of other cartridges, and the pain associated with a a few pounds of steel driving into your flesh is a good indicator of the 500's wild side. Even with some of the moderate pressure powders, it was more than I could handle. So, I would drop the charges such that the velocity was in the 1200fps range based on ballistic charts. This is comparable to what I shoot in the 454 minus about 100 grains, and obviously smaller sectional density of bullet. 

I know most of GBO members are hunters so perhaps you need a certain level of performance. Id think the build
quality of the gun and the characterstics of the handgun cartridge translate to a nominal difference in accuracy when
your eye is unaided, regardless of barrel length. I used to have a 9" FA and I struggled with balancing it, esp. when
scoped. That's when I knew 6" was right for me. Regarding that 9" 353, the combination of longer barrel and
cartridge type never ended up causing any sort of pain. I would load slower propellants I could only dream of loading in the 454 or 500. I can't recall the exact load data but I was loading either 180 or 200gr bullets with the
Vihtavuori powder that is similar to Hodgdon 110. Even this was a pussycat load. I do not believe a equivalent load in
the mammoth 500 WE would be tamed by a few inches of barrel. Yeah, the degree to which the muzzle tilts, may lessen but still I think the shooter is the limiting factor. There is just too much energy produced.

If you are reaching case capacity or are having an issue with bullets pulling in your AE, the WE will fit the bill. And the octagon barrel is a nice option and again, in my opinion, looks better in a longer barrel. But, pretty sure the ounces increase over the round barrel will not have any affect on perceived recoil. Sure does look cool. You may want to consider picking up one of the previous FACA publications. It has a full review of the  Editor's 50AE conversion to
the WE. Pretty sure it had a custom (octagon) barrel length--like 8" or somethin' and really impressive trigger and hammer polishing. Exactly what you want. I have the issue but I unfortunately I don't have a scanner to copy for you.       
I am sure others more experienced will chime in. Good luck to you.               

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 05:14:14 AM »
I like the looks of the 6 inch octagon on the FA 83 myself....
FWIW Personally for me in 454 and 475 FA applications the 7.5 inch provides less felt recoil than a magna ported 6 inch...

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 07:56:03 AM »
In the case of the .500 WE, "optimum" is more a matter of what the user wants, than of performance increases or decreases. Personally, I prefer the 6" length in that caliber. I regularly use a 6" scoped FG, as well as a 6" PG octagon and a 4 3/4" FG. There's no more than 35-50 fps difference with any load in the different guns.

I have more experience with the .475 Linebaugh, which can be considered in the same performance ballpark as the .500 WE. There, with barrel lengths of 6", 7 1/2" and 9", no load has shown as much as 100 fps difference, with most being about 70 fps, shortest to longest.

When it comes to iron sight sight radius, 7 1/2" is probably the (slightly) best compromise. Those who can truly benefit from a longer sight radius already know that.

Forget "optimum". Buy what looks good and balances well for you. There's more velocity gain and loss in 1 grain of powder.

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 07:23:47 AM »
I own and shoot the 500 WE in a 3.5", 4.75" and 6" Premier Grade Model 83's.  I hate to say it, but each of them are perfect.  I find that optimum has more to do with my mood at the time that barrel length.

Good Luck....

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 12:52:41 AM »
what ken said. Its more of a matter of what you like then any performance on game that will be noticed. Personaly i like 4 5/8s. both my 454 and 475 are that lenght and if i was to get a we it would be the same.
In the case of the .500 WE, "optimum" is more a matter of what the user wants, than of performance increases or decreases. Personally, I prefer the 6" length in that caliber. I regularly use a 6" scoped FG, as well as a 6" PG octagon and a 4 3/4" FG. There's no more than 35-50 fps difference with any load in the different guns.

I have more experience with the .475 Linebaugh, which can be considered in the same performance ballpark as the .500 WE. There, with barrel lengths of 6", 7 1/2" and 9", no load has shown as much as 100 fps difference, with most being about 70 fps, shortest to longest.

When it comes to iron sight sight radius, 7 1/2" is probably the (slightly) best compromise. Those who can truly benefit from a longer sight radius already know that.

Forget "optimum". Buy what looks good and balances well for you. There's more velocity gain and loss in 1 grain of powder.
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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 01:50:29 AM »
Like we said, there isn't any wrong answer. Here's a FG .50 AE retrofitted with one of the first two WE cylinders to leave the factory. I scoped it a couple of years later:



Here's an iron sighted PG 6" octagon WE with deep dish crown, trigger job and stop:


And a FG 4 3/4" WE with ivory micartas and PG rear sight. Both iron sighted guns have my own undercut patridge front sights for better visibility:




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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 06:32:42 AM »
Awesome pictures.   In looking at them, that six inch seems very well balanced.  Maybe as I save my shekels up for this project, I might have to change my ideas of the right barrel length.  How does the scope work with such a big boomer of a cartridge?

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2011, 06:55:20 AM »
Ken,

Glad to see you posting pictures.  I've been toying with having one of my .475s cut to 4 3/4" (I have two six inchers - one is ported) -- That 4 3/4" w/ivory micartas pictured above may have just pushed me over the edge.

I'm a sucker for octagon barrels -- that six incher is a beauty.

Paul

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2011, 11:13:31 AM »
Awesome pictures.   In looking at them, that six inch seems very well balanced.  Maybe as I save my shekels up for this project, I might have to change my ideas of the right barrel length.  How does the scope work with such a big boomer of a cartridge?

A 2X or 4X Leupold works perfectly on a 6" .454, .475L or .500WE.

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2011, 11:18:07 AM »
Paul, that 6" octagon is Zeus' old gun. He had black micarta on it when I got it from him. Here's a ported 6" octagon .475 with black micarta:



This gun was sitting on a dealer's shelf for quite a while when I traded for it 11 years ago. I would have preferred that it not be ported, but that's the way it was. I usually prefer that FA's with a front sight base not be ported, because of the crud that accumulates on the base. It's not a big issue, of course, but if I had my druthers....
On my serious FA big boomers that I know will be scoped for life, I usually go with 4 ports and the no iron sights option.

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Re: Wyoming Express and the barrel.
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2011, 06:46:23 AM »
I have 3 FA 454 casulls 10 , 7 1/2 and 6 inch barrels,  if i could only have 1 it would be the 6 inch