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Marxist Utopias
« on: January 29, 2011, 09:52:40 AM »

When I was a kid, the men in blue were our hero's. We would even get to sit on their Harley's, and turn on the lights. They knew the people in the neighborhoods they patrolled, and treated them like friends. Today the police look and act more like military. The Haircuts, camo uniforms (in some areas), and the robotic language they use. And what ever happened to a warning ticket?

Lot of truth in these words.

By Andrew C. Wallace
January 29, 2011
NewsWithViews.com

This is an explanation of the shooting of Police Officers Tom Baitinger, and Jeffrey Yaslowitz and a U.S. Marshal in St. Petersburg, Florida, Officer Steven Dodds in Oregon, Officer David Moore in Indianapolis, two Officers wounded in Port Orchard, Washington, Two Sheriff’s Deputies wounded in Tacoma, Washington, and four Police Officers wounded in Detroit, Michigan. Eleven of these shootings took place in 24 hours as reported by Fox News 1-25-11.

To expect different outcomes from inner city Marxist Utopias is both moronic and impossible. Simple logic and history dictates that most people born into the world without being taught right from wrong, the Golden Rule, ethics, morals or guidance from a proper family, the teachings of Jesus Christ and real education, are doomed. These residents even elect and support those who deprive them of freedom and prosperity, who are just like those who sold their own people into slavery in the first place.

Law abiding people living in the Marxist Utopias live in fear of the criminals produced therein and have a strong resentment of ill treatment by the establishment represented by the Police. Under existing circumstances, this deadly situation is highly resistant to change.

Police have never had the lead responsibility to protect the people. Our constitution gave that obligation to the people themselves along with the right to keep and bear arms as protection against criminals and a rogue government. It is impossible for police to protect the people without an armed citizenry supporting the police, but the Marxist Officials will not allow it because they rightly fear retribution from the people. Officials should fear arrest for their treason.

The people had my back when I was a police officer and I would never work under the present conditions where the police are perceived much like that of an occupying army. In many cases the people are protecting the criminals and hate the police.

The police have limited choices, none of them easy. They can arm and train the law abiding people while earning their trust. This would require that the police pay close attention to the prosecutors and judges to insure that people get equal justice and due process in a civil manner. Since many prosecutors and judges are corrupt, police will have to investigate and arrest some of them to establish creditability. Police will have targets on their backs until they are perceived as friends of the people. Don’t tell me that this is a pipe dream and will not work because I have experienced it. As a police officer, I have been offered housing at much reduced cost to get me to live in their area, the people wanted my services. Police in Marxist utopias can’t say the same thing as they are mostly hated.

We used to have a saying that “You could fight with every drunk, or not, your choice”. I have seen many current police officers on TV treat people in a disrespectful manner that did nothing to get rid of that target.

I was taught as a police officer “to either kill the people with kindness, or to kill them for proper cause”, and that we were not paid to subdue people with a club or with physical force because it was poor public relations, not required, and sooner or later we would lose with dire consequences. This policy was based upon experience and was very effective. We did not wear track shoes because common law allowed use of deadly force to stop felons. We could use positive road blocks so car chases did not last long. Everyone knew the rules of engagement so it worked quite well.

This problem was started by greedy politicians who instituted pure Marxism in the inner cities depriving people of equal opportunity and freedom by replacing it with equal poverty and slavery resulting in a brainwashed population with a large criminal underclass. One example of a major cause is the 20% high school graduation rate of Blacks in St. Petersburg, Florida, which is the worst example of low graduation rates in the United States.

If the police can’t change things by throwing some officials in jail and working with the people they should resign, and law abiding residents should move out. To my knowledge it is almost unheard of for Police to use their legitimate and superior power to clean out prosecutorial and judicial corruption. If the police don’t do it, who can?
There is a high probability that our money and government benefits will become worthless. When this occurs, residents of the Marxist utopias, seeking food, will attack the government or the working people, in either case, it is not a time to live or work in the city.

My prayers go to the families of the brave officers who have died because of yet another failed experiment in Marxism by Traitors to our Constitution in the government, and most especially to the Marxist media who refused to tell people the truth.

© 2011 Andrew Wallace

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 10:11:31 AM »
When I was a Policeman many years ago, things were different. We had a saying that most of us lived by. Be nice to the people, if the people can't be nice then just add some water and make a can of whip a$$. I have been to a few barfights and when the combants saw cops they backed off. At family fights, (and they happen) when we got everything calmed down, we promised if we came back some one was going to jail for the night. We always kept that promise. When we saw a car beside the road with the hood up we stopped and tried to help them out. We tried to help people out and we would rather take a kid home to thier folks than put them in the system if at all possible.

I feel sorry for todays cop they don't have the discretion we did. Of course they have to teach ethics in the academys now. So I guess times have changed.


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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 03:11:16 AM »
I don't think one should underestimate drug abuse as a cause for some, if not most of the shootings of police officers and civilians for that matter.  At least that seems to be the case around here from what I read in the papers.  More drugs=more crime.
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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 12:44:39 PM »
Quote form letter:
(If the police can’t change things by throwing some officials in jail and working with the people they should resign, and law abiding residents should move out. To my knowledge it is almost unheard of for Police to use their legitimate and superior power to clean out prosecutorial and judicial corruption. If the police don’t do it, who can?
There is a high probability that our money and government benefits will become worthless. When this occurs, residents of the Marxist utopias, seeking food, will attack the government or the working people, in either case, it is not a time to live or work in the city.)


I think the media has the major part in promoting the idea of a "utopia" society. They chase false ideals that a disarmed society will be safe. The problem in the current society that the void created by disarming citizens is filled with criminals, be it street thugs, judges, lawyers, or law enforcers.

Out of fear, people listen to liberal actors and liberal politicians when they promote disarming.   How do you teach people to not be afraid to stand up for themselves?

If as a society we were taught as a whole to be self reliant and honest first and foremost and demanded the harshest of penalites for criminals of any sort, thieves just as much as murders, and made it effective at all levels of society, the white collar banker as well as the addict street thug, we wouldn't need to disarm the citizens. We would police ourselves.

As the letter said, "what we have is likely to become worthless". With the balance of voters shifting more to the liberal thought with every government give away our fate appears sealed.

No major event will wake the masses to the truth before this cancer of liberalism, pushed by politicians and media for thier own ends, has consumed us completely. We allow too much corruption fostered by our entire government  and banking sysem to ever allow ourselves to be disarmed. It appears we are going that dirrection reguardless.

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2011, 01:50:25 PM »
I get the impression Mr. Wallace is a jaded former police officer( don't know why he isn't a cop  anymore ). Or if he is drawing his retirement from such a "Marxist" corrupt system maybe he should donate it to the less fortunate. Or maybe he is upset about a speeding ticket? Who knows. Anyone painting American law enforcement in such a bleak picture needs to spend about 3 days in eastern Europe and report back there findings to label Marxism on anything. Being over friendly in LE will get you killed. Stopping to help a sranded motorist will get you killed due to the warrant the guy has that you nothing about. Police behavior is reactive to their environment. Not proactive to be brutal. Most people would vomit in one visit to most crime labs. Maybe that should put that on the news? I know of very few anti 2nd Amendment officers. People are quick to dis LE without even knowing anything they do. I guarantee you they don't target armed citizens following the law and look for weapon violations. Thugs raping 5 yr old girls and selling garage meth tends to be normal priorities. But I guess they deserve to be armed too right? So that being so then arresting them can be comprimising.   

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2011, 05:49:12 AM »
Any cop that has been on the force three to five years has been indoctrinated into the them against us syndrome! They become nothing more than legalized thugs!
   Did you notice in the above post, the guy did not see a stranded motorist, but a threat to his life! Protect and serve my butt!

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2011, 12:35:10 PM »
LOL.....

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2011, 07:25:00 AM »
I do know a few cops from different agencies. There is a definent "us vs. them " attitude. Alot of this comes from being out at 0300 hrs knowing the only help you receive will 99.9% of the time will be from a "brother" officer.  I know the "attitude" exists but have never had very much of it displayed to me personally. Alot of them that I know enjoy hunting and shooting as much as I do.

Alot of my (our?) disagreement with an officers job is that they "enforce" what I (we?) believe to be numerous unConstitutional laws. And yes I do get a bit "miffed" about it. Most all the officers I have had interaction with that I don't know have been very professional. A couple have "seemed" like hard cases, but thats just people. Do they cross the line at times. Yes I believe they do. but unless you have alot of cash for an attorney.......like everybody else, youse just gots to swallow it.

No thankyou, I would not want the job.Thankless and under appreciated it is.

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2011, 09:18:28 AM »
And what ever happened to a warning ticket?

Strangely enough, I actually got my first one recently (about 3 weeks ago).  I was going 60 - thought I was in a 55mph zone and didn't notice that I had crossed over into a 45mph zone.  Cop pulled me over.  No biggie.  I was on the way back from the range and he saw the target on the seat.  The gun was in the trunk, but he was looking over the interior of the car mighty hard.  He saw my holster in the back floorboard and I had to pick it up and show him that it was empty.

After that, he took the paperwork back to his car.  What happened next shocked the heck out of me.  He back back to my car asking about my "narcotics charges" and a "non-negligent homicide" (which I think equates to manslaughter - not sure as I've never heard it phrased that way).  The first thing that ran through my mind was that he was joking or messing with me but his face was serious and then I thought that wouldn't be professional.  After a moment of shocked silence I informed him that I had never had such charges and had never gotten anything more serious than a speeding ticket.

He then went back to the car for a bit, then came back and asked if I was named after anyone or anything.   Long story short, after speaking with him for a bit I discovered that there was a guy with the same first and last name as me, born on the same day as me, in the same city as me, and with a social security number only a few digits off from mine.  Apparently not only was he supposed to not have a gun due to felony convictions, he also was supposedly incarcerated at the time.  His middle name was different, but when he searched by first and last name the guys record pulled up.  After we got all that straightened out, and my blood pressure returned to normal, he went ahead and let me off with a warning "for the confusion". 

Scared the living heck out of me for a minute though.

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2011, 02:21:00 PM »
Nevermind.......

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 09:58:11 AM »
I get the impression Mr. Wallace is a jaded former police officer( don't know why he isn't a cop  anymore ). Or if he is drawing his retirement from such a "Marxist" corrupt system maybe he should donate it to the less fortunate. Or maybe he is upset about a speeding ticket? Who knows. Anyone painting American law enforcement in such a bleak picture needs to spend about 3 days in eastern Europe and report back there findings to label Marxism on anything. Being over friendly in LE will get you killed. Stopping to help a sranded motorist will get you killed due to the warrant the guy has that you nothing about. Police behavior is reactive to their environment. Not proactive to be brutal. Most people would vomit in one visit to most crime labs. Maybe that should put that on the news? I know of very few anti 2nd Amendment officers. People are quick to dis LE without even knowing anything they do. I guarantee you they don't target armed citizens following the law and look for weapon violations. Thugs raping 5 yr old girls and selling garage meth tends to be normal priorities. But I guess they deserve to be armed too right? So that being so then arresting them can be comprimising.



FYI,
Andrew C. Wallace is a former Kentucky State Trooper, Kentucky Native, Korean War Veteran and spent Thirty years as Director of Marketing Firm developing and implementing national Marketing programs for manufacturers and now retired doing research and writing.

I don't know why you would refer to him as jaded, and I for one am not interested in how police work in Europe! I am an American, and my concern is here at home. I don't see how anyone with fair vision at best, cannot see the police departments in America becoming more like the military.

I realize living in a high crime area, would dictate a different approach for the police, but even in small, low crime areas, like the town I live in, they display the military approach.

They are no longer individuals. They all have shaved heads, stern looks, and speak in phonetics. They socialize with other officers and tend to distance themselves from others.

Another problem I see, are people in uniform physically unfit to do the job. Some, so fat and out of shape the couldn't run a suspect down if the person was on crutches. Skinny armed small women, that would have a hard time defending themselves against a freshman piccolo player in the HS band. Small wonder, you see more police shootings against unarmed people today.


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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 08:02:07 AM »
God forbid a police officer be clean cut and socialize with law abiding folks  ::). The majority of LE comes from a military background........Brevity(Phonetics)??? A clue where they learned that ::).... That discipline is sometimes all you have. Do you go to work everyday and see what LE sees? If Mr. Wallace was a Korean War vet and a State Trooper then you should have noticed what I just told you.  So what is YOUR description of a LEO? Mayberry? I am dying to know what your description of an American LEO is?

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Re: Marxist Utopias
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 05:50:27 AM »
God forbid a police officer be clean cut and socialize with law abiding folks  ::). The majority of LE comes from a military background........Brevity(Phonetics)??? A clue where they learned that ::).... That discipline is sometimes all you have. Do you go to work everyday and see what LE sees? If Mr. Wallace was a Korean War vet and a State Trooper then you should have noticed what I just told you.  So what is YOUR description of a LEO? Mayberry? I am dying to know what your description of an American LEO is?


OH YEA! I believe all police should behave like Andy and Barney of Mayberry.............Get real!


 keeping the peace, law enforcement, protection of persons and property, and the investigation of crimes. 
 The major role of the police is to maintain order, keeping the peace through surveillance of the public, and the subsequent reporting and apprehension of suspected violators of the law. They also function to discourage crimes through high-visibility
Basically to protect and serve the community.

At one time the Police were not primarily recruited from ex-Military.

As a soldier, we were trained to engage and kill the enemy, or put them out of action. We were not trained as peace keepers. We had peace keepers for soldiers. They were called MP's in the Army. Different training for their roll. They were trained to first try and defuse a situation by talking.

As soldiers we were not schooled at talking the enemy into surrender.

There should be a big difference in the police and Military, but the two more closely resemble each other  today!
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 06:46:49 AM »
+1 nw_, I want a firm police force, but not para military. If the need for a paramilitary style force is the solution, maybe some of our laws need to be revised on how criminals are dealt with. Instate "Castle Doctrine, and NO Retreat Laws" in ALL of our states. Let state militias patrol our borders.  Mostly I would have to say its not our LEO's, but the laws and how they are told to enforce them that is the problem.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 02:39:59 PM »
Mostly I would have to say its not our LEO's, but the laws and how they are told to enforce them that is the problem.


Absolutely! Problem is, The LEO is the one John Q must deal with.
Will the majority of LEO's uphold the Constitution, if given an order contrary to it? I think the police officer of yesterday, and some today would, but what about the Para-Military types being recruited today? "Remember" in a combat situation, the soldier fights for his comrades. I'm afraid the .....Them against us attitude would prevail.

I agree........... To change that attitude, the leaders must first be replaced by a protect and serve mentality, instead of Para-Military. I don't see that happening anytime soon.



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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2011, 03:04:25 PM »
My experience is with our county SO and somewhat with our local Troopers.  I'll back them to the hilt, they are all standup guys.  A little more paramilitary than they used to be?  Yep, but then we didn't have the amount of human garbage running the roads like we do now.  Our Sheriff used to shoot with us in our matches, he once asked how many of the guys had CCW's.  I told him most of them do.  He said "that's the kind of guys we need backing us up out there".  I guess we're just lucky out here in the sticks. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2011, 05:09:50 PM »
HorM, yep, wouldn't hesitate to help out if I could. The deputies I know have had that made clear to them. In the sticks here also.