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atf declaring war on honest law abiding citizens.
« on: February 08, 2011, 04:09:37 PM »
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ATF Declaring War on Honest Gun Owners -- Time for Congress to rein in this rogue agency
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Tuesday, February 8, 2011


They are coming for your guns any way they can.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is waging a war on innocent gun owners, and not surprisingly, the Obama administration has done nothing to keep them in check.

You are no doubt aware of how the agency has been going after honest gun dealers in recent years. Combine that with byzantine federal laws and regulations -- subject to BATF interpretation -- and it's no wonder the number of FFL holders has decreased almost 80%.

Then there was former National Guardsman David Olofson. In 2008, Olofson's loaned AR-15 malfunctioned at a range -- firing a three-round burst with a single trigger pull. The ATF could only replicate the malfunction after experimenting with different types of ammunition behind closed doors. Having achieved the result they wanted, the ATF labeled Olofson's gun a machine gun, and he was sentenced to three years in prison for an illegal "transfer."

The agency also put millions of gun owners in its crosshairs when it reclassified shotguns that are equipped with pistol grips. By decreeing in 2009 that such firearms are not "shotguns," the ATF acted as a de facto legislative-making body... quietly turning millions of gun owners into potential criminals overnight.

If the weapons are not "shotguns," then what are they? The NFA Owners Association suggests the only logical alternative is that such firearms are now "destructive devices" -- in the same category as grenade launchers, which require owners to register their weapons and pay a $200 tax.

Of course, failure to register such weapons and pay the required tax would result in the same treatment that David Olofson received.

One Senator on Capitol Hill is looking into the agency's contemptible practices and asking pointed questions of ATF Acting Director Ken Melson.

In late January, Senator Charles Grassley (R-AL) questioned Melson about abuses stemming from Project Gunrunner, a program the ATF started in 2005 to stop US guns from getting into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. In order to track illegal gun running, the ATF engages in (and approves of) illegal gun purchases made at gun shows and stores throughout the southwest.

The word is starting to leak out that the ATF has its fingerprints on many of the strawman sales that are grabbing so many headlines. On January 30, newspaper headlines in El Paso, Texas, stated that: "US agency intentionally permits arms to be trafficked into Mexico."

So the ATF is actually helping to move illegal guns across the border. To make matters worse, says Sen. Grassley, one of the sales the ATF sanctioned went to suspected straw purchasers who later shot and killed Customs and Border Protection agent Brian Terry.

But when Sen. Grassley asked the ATF head for an accounting, the agency instead cracked down on the internal "whistleblowers" who supplied him with the information.

Imagine that... if the agency is willing to put the squeeze on its own agents, what are they willing to do to the rest of the population?

This lack of integrity on the part of ATF management is reminiscent of a 1993 60 Minutes feature story. In it, ATF agent Bob Hoffman stunned interviewer Mike Wallace by saying that "the people I put in jail have more honor than the top administration in this organization."

For over three decades, the ATF has had a record of abuse -- not only in its treatment of the few honest agents that work there, but also in their treatment of law-abiding gun owners. Even as far back as 1982, the Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution found that 75 percent of ATF gun prosecutions were aimed at ordinary citizens who had "neither criminal intent nor knowledge," but were "enticed by agents" into unknowing technical violations.

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Re: atf declaring war on honest law abiding citizens.
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 04:22:01 PM »
my personal  experiences  with the ATF  have been positive
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2011, 04:26:18 PM »
Hope to be on a jury sometime where the atf is involved. An automatic not guilty verdict will be cast if i am. If the gov't and courts won't reign these rogues in its up to we the people. Practice jury Nullification.

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Re: atf declaring war on honest law abiding citizens.
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 04:36:47 PM »
Hope to be on a jury sometime where the atf is involved. An automatic not guilty verdict will be cast if i am. If the gov't and courts won't reign these rogues in its up to we the people. Practice jury Nullification.

this  is not practiced enough
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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Re: atf declaring war on honest law abiding citizens.
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 01:16:03 AM »
I find it interesting PW that you would point out that Obama has done nothing about the ATF abuses and then in the same post you say that the abuses have been going on for over three decades. What about the previous presidents lack of action???
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Re: atf declaring war on honest law abiding citizens.
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 04:44:36 AM »
In case you haven't noticed they are no longer in office. Your savior is!

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 06:02:39 AM »
In case you haven't noticed they are no longer in office. Your savior is!



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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 06:20:42 AM »
With good police work, and investagative work, this shouldn't be neccessary. Their using civilians to do thier work for them. Like most other civil servants, their turning lazy, and taking the easy way out. It's up to us, the tax payers, to pay their wages, and to do their job too I guess. gypsyman
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2011, 02:28:24 PM »
"So the ATF is actually helping to move illegal guns across the border. To make matters worse, says Sen. Grassley, one of the sales the ATF sanctioned went to suspected straw purchasers who later shot and killed Customs and Border Protection agent Brian Terry."

 Why hasn't anything been done about this? Isn't supplying arms to the enemy Treason? There are only enemies in war right, I suppose the war on drugs doesn't count. Can their corruption be any more blatent than to commit what I would consider crimes in the open? How much more arrogent can they get? I will never help the batfe. They are the epitome of a rogue agency. >:(  >:(

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2011, 03:14:39 PM »
I do remember that he had put a part from an m16 in his AR15. Still....