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Offline Sourdough

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Cowboy Ethics
« on: February 10, 2011, 07:10:04 PM »
Got this from FOX News, Feel it is right on.  Here is the link, but I copied it here for those that have trouble with links.  Rog

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/02/10/cowboy-code-frivolous/?test=faces

Opinion
Why the Cowboy Code Is Not Frivolous
By Patrick Dorinson

Published February 10, 2011
| FoxNews.com


"A man’s got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job." -- John Wayne

The other day the Montana State Senate passed SB 216 sponsored by rancher and Senate President Jim Peterson. The bill is simple and direct and it doesn’t cost the taxpayers a dime. SB 216 would adopt The Code of the West from the book "Cowboy Ethics" and make it the official Montana Code.

"Cowboy Ethics" was written by James Owen, an investment professional who after Enron and the other Wall Street scandals of a few years ago, decided it was time to take a good look at what we had become as a society and individuals. Like me he has a great deal of respect and admiration for the iconic American cowboy and the cowboy way of life.

He came up with his "Code of the West" which states some simple common sense principles that not just cowboys but all of us should try to live by.

The code includes admonitions such as "Live each day with courage," "Be tough, but fair," "Ride for the brand," and "Know where to draw the line."

Montana Governor Schweitzer has said he will veto any frivolous legislation. I guess he consider ethics "frivolous." He wants the legislature to focus on important things like jobs and a budget shortfall. He’s right that those things are extremely important. But the ethics and values deficit in this country is just as important as the fiscal and financial deficits.-- If life is just about dollars and cents then we are in bigger trouble than I thought.

Somewhere along the line we forgot these basic values and replaced them with a self-centered "grab all you can and forget the consequences" attitude and situational ethics.

Children cheat on tests and think it is not only okay but is a path to success.

In 2002 a study by Rutgers University found that cheating was rampant and in many cases accepted behavior among students. The director of the study said "I think kids today are looking to adults and society for a moral compass and when they see the behavior occurring there, they don't understand why they should be held to a higher standard."

If that is how our young people see the world Lord help us.

One student said,” I actually think cheating is good. A person who has an entirely honest life can't succeed these days."

Another student in the survey said, "What's important is getting ahead. The better grades you have, the better school you get into, the better you're going to do in life. And if you learn to cut corners to do that, you're going to be saving yourself time and energy. In the real world, that's what's going to be going on. The better you do, that's what shows. It's not how moral you were in getting there."

She was 17 at the time and by my ciphering she would be around 26 now. With an attitude like that she should run for Congress.

And I can’t imagine things have improved since 2002 and my guess is that they have gotten worse.

Some politicians cheat on their wives. If a man will cheat on his wife what do you think he will do to the folks that elected him?

Bad behavior in public life will more likely land you a book deal, a reality TV show or a spot on Oprah than the consternation of society. You want proof?

Disgraced former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer romped with hookers and he now has a television show on CNN.

By the way hookers are now called "escorts" and they have become a part of mainstream popular culture thanks to Spitzer and actor Charlie Sheen.

And while the collapse of the housing market has many causes one big one was that some unscrupulous lenders approved loans although they knew the borrowers could not afford them. By the way the borrowers also knew they couldn’t afford them as well and now some of them just walk away from their obligations.

Now that's a great example for the kids, isn't it?

Some folks might say I’m “naïve” or “old fashioned” or that “times have changed and I need to get with it” whatever “it” is.

Maybe so.

But when a nation forgets the values that made the country strong and discards its ethical compass as “outdated” that nation could be at its end.

And if not the end you sure as Hell can see it from here.



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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2011, 08:37:44 PM »
That was good.
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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2011, 10:11:32 PM »
Moving to say the least.  I know that when I walked in the door at HS everyday I could expect to see about 8 or 9 of the "popular" kids all siting against the lockers "helping" each other with last nights homework that the smartest one of the bunch did and is passing through,  or they would get together and each person do so many problems and then they would get together and combine their answers.  These 8-9 kids were among the top of their class, which btw only had 20 or so students.
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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2011, 01:45:11 AM »
There will be a time, when the people call good, evil and evil, good. This is how we know the end is near.

While bidding for some work I turned in an honest bid, my counter part working for the same boss turned in a bid much lower knowing he couldn't do the work for what was bid. He got the work. My boss was chewing me out one day for turning in high bids. I asked how can I do the work for less than it actually costs. His reply was after you get the contract you go back and ask for more money. I replied that was dishonest and started looking for a new job. He didn't think it was dishonest. I have a much better boss now and no work related headaches.

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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2011, 02:00:23 AM »
Shu don't feel like the lone ranger. We got beat on a bid the other day ( typical though for several years now) , the bids were like this - low on day of bid was $155000.00 , we were second with $276000.00 and next highest was over $500000.00 . Two days later someone cut the low man by 10%. consider if we make 9% we are doing great on a job. One can see that both low bids are under our cost . The battle cry of these guys is "value engineer and look for extras "
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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2011, 02:56:37 AM »
i am a dry wall finisher and i get under bid all of the time the last one the home owner called me back and asked if i wanted to offer another bid.   i said no
i gave you my bid    the other guy under bid me by at least 60%    i can not get materials and pay for my gas at that price yet alone make any money to pay my bills 
2 weeks later i get a call to go complete the job because the guy he hired to do it was not coming back   so i did go look at the job  and declined to take it as it was really messed up
all a asked him is did you pay him ? he said yes    and i told him if you payed him then you got what you payed for  if the guy has all of his money for the job then what makes you think he will come back to complete it  and i can not do it free because you have already payed the other guy.
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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2011, 04:22:32 AM »
You can't legislate morals, ethics, codes of conduct or whatever name you want to call it. Hasn't ever worked and never will. If Montana wants to adopt the "Code Of The West" that's fine but it is a waste of time actually. A person will determine their own values. There have always been honest, upstanding, do the right thing people and there have always been people looking to screw everyone out of everything they can. Always will be. Teach your children to be the best a person can be and hope they respond. Some will, some won't. Unfortunately some never get taught anything.

 

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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2011, 07:53:42 AM »
To true you cannot legislate morality.

Pops always told me work hard, do good work and don't worry about but; either covering it or kissing it.  Lying to pops was the one cardinal sin. He wanted to hear the truth, if you came clean the punishment was much less than lying.

I still hold these values at work, I won't lie to win a bid and if I say it will be ready on the date documented you will have it as agreed, for the price agreed.

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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2011, 08:33:58 AM »
My mother is haveing problems at work because of the bosses kids.  Basically the kid may show up for a couple hours here and there, or take a day or so off, but yet will still get paid for 40 hours.  It really sucks for the person like my mom and some of the other folk working there that actually put in a hard days work and basically get pooped on.  My mother would love to get a new job, but she has been at this place for 20 years makes 11 buck and hour on a HS education, so theres really not much that she can do,  if she goes anywhere else she loses her 4 weeks paid vacation, and probably won't be making near what she does now,  and theres a few others that are the same way,  nothing I hate more than a kiss-ass /end rant.

I would talk to a guy that was a general contractor and he always bid the job right,  he wasn't making a fortune at it, but just enough to keep a float.  Well one time he was telling me about a job that he quoted and someone else undercut him quite a bit.  Well needless to say the other chap got the job.  Few weeks later the person called back and say that the other contractor mess some of it up, as well as walked off the job,  he told the guy that he would do it, but added another 40% to the bid becuase he knew he would have to redo somestuff and want not.  When he got there and started the job he flat out told the guy that is what you get for trying to be cheap instead of right.  The other contractor didn't last to much longer before they went out of business.  If you can't afford to do it right, can you afford to do it again.
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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 12:54:03 PM »
I'm 55 years old and grew up in Arizona. I had "Cowboy ethics" pounded into my head. Now , I feel like an outsider in  my own state. That's ok I'll never change.

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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 01:45:47 PM »
On July 4 1776 a document was voted upon and subsequently signed by 56 men of good faith.  In it each man pledged his life, his fortune and his sacred honor.  I have dickered like mad with contractors but my hand shake, and my word have sealed every contract.  If the other guy broke his word intentionaly, I still kept mine.  Dad taught me no profit was worth my sworn word.
By the way, those 56 men of good faith were all from the east coast.

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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 04:11:03 PM »
No ethics makes for bad gvt and business decisions.  Private Companies going under.  Reminds me of a few year ago a Russian City had an earthquake and the people couldn't clean up because they didn't even have a bucket to put the rubble in. 

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Re: Cowboy Ethics
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2011, 04:43:38 AM »
+1 Fourbee

I can remamber spending a week with the Granparents. I was about 8 years old and was farming with Granpa. We went to town and he bought a big green tractor on  hand shake and the promise to pay at harvest time. He had thet old John Deer for until the day he died.