45/70 vs 460 S&W

[Tom Threetoes]

I've looked at the ballistics charts but I would like to know what you guys that have both guns have to say. Thanks Tom

[knight0334]

Are we comparing the .460S&W versus 45-70 in level 1, 2, or 3 loadings?   ...Because the .460 cant come close to what the level 2 and 3 can do.

[quickdtoo]

The 45-70 will push a 300gr bullet as fast as the 460S&W will a 250gr bullet. FWIW, my 460 H&R pushes the 200gr Hornady factory ammo almost 2900fps, but the short fat bullet looses velocity real fast, its .145 BC isn't much better than a round ball!  It will push the 250gr SST/FTX (BC .210) about 2500fps or so. The Barnes 300gr TSX-FB will do 2550fps in a 45-70 and has a BC of .230.

Tim

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/45-70RugerNo1Web.pdf

http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/ftx_load_data/460_sw_magnum_ftx.pdf

http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Cal-.452-250-gr-FTX-for-450-Bushmaster/

[Tom Threetoes]

I guess I was hoping there might be less difference between the two. I almost added a 45/70 barrel to my barrel order last week but my budget and practicality got in the way and I didn't do it. If the current proposed Indiana deer hunting regulations are passed the 460 will be a legal deer caliber next year.  I doubt I'll ever run into a critter around here that the 460 wouldn't handle and since I now have an extra 45 Colt barrel I guess the 460 wins. Still the old 45/70 still has the cool factor, it might be worth saving up for one.

[quickdtoo]

I've said it before..... If'n I lived in Indiana and they passed the 1.8" min rule, I'd get hold of a 35 Rem Handi or rechamber an SB2 357Mag or even a Maxi(in fact I did just that!  ) and trim the brass to 1.8", seat the bullet long and load to Super 35 Rem velocities, 2450fps with the 180gr SSP is easy to do in the 22" barrel. The 200gr FTX would be even better at ~2400fps.

Tim

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Hornady .358"  200gr FTX .300 B.C.
Range (yds)   Muzzle   50       100    200         300   
Velocity (fps)   2400   2261   2127   1872   1639   
Energy (ft.-lb.)   2302   2043   1808   1401   1074   
Trajectory    -1.5            1.7            3.1            0.0           -13.1   

[casca1]

ifin I lived in INDIANA  I would move !

sorry couldn't resist  since I live a mile from Illinois / Indiana border.

OH, ya I won't be the one turning out the lights here in illinois  people's republic
casca1
sorry

[Tom Threetoes]

Tim, your plan makes the most sence and I've copied the load data, but I just bought another CR 45 and right now I'm trying to make the most use of it. I'll agree, casca1, Indiana could be better but I'm not swimmin' the Wabash anytime soon!

[petemi]

I just hope the Indiana disease doesn't spread this far north.  We've got enough regulations now.

Pete

[gcrank1]

Yeah, the 45-70 will do everything the 460 will, AND MORE, but, given your locational limitations I'll wager you will get a lot of satisfaction with the 'lite' version  .
And YES, save up for a 45-70 (isnt it a requirement now on GBO?).

[Tom Threetoes]

The fact that I can ream the 45 out to 460 makes it a no brainer but you guys have talked up the 45/70 so much I might have to get me one sooner or later. That 18 3/4" barrel that just came out on the accessary list sure would make a handy Handy. Petemi, I've got kin up around the Detroit area and after hearin' some of my uncle's deer huntin' tales there's no way this ol' Hoosier's comin' up there! LOL

[gcrank1]

Da 'U.P.' aint anywhere near D'troit........
Its like a whole 'nother country.

[300winman]

Hell I'm from southern Michigan, and even we disown anyone within 20 miles of Detroit!!  LOL  Though I can't say much anymore as I reside just outside Portland, OR these days........But I still make my way back every year with the 20ga Tracker II to bring home some venison!!

[rockrat]

I find my 460 about 200 fps slower than the 45-70, but I also have only gone up to bullet weight of about 325gr.  Of course, at 2100fps, its nothing to sneeze at.