I was going to use the 12 ga. pump Rem 870, but took the little 410 single shot Stevens. Got the first one Friday morning at 25yds. and the second one Sunday at 20yds. Both toms came in to the call. I used the Win 3" with no. 4s, and was impressed how well they worked and only one shot on each. The little 410 sure was a pleasure to carry also. Zeak