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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #240 on: February 09, 2011, 09:26:15 AM »
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To TeamNelson: What you and PM need is a Constitutional Amendment outlawing abortions.  Guess what? It wouldn't pass. 




junior. This was from you on page 2 post #41, IG got me curious. I would love to see abortion put on the ballot. The pantywetters would literally go bonkers thinking that the dead baby industry might go bankrupt. I believe you are wrong, it would easily pass. Theres no such critter as a CHRISTIAN taliban. Christians are all about God, the taliban are all about hatred, death, satans disciples. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #241 on: February 09, 2011, 09:34:22 AM »
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To TeamNelson: What you and PM need is a Constitutional Amendment outlawing abortions.  Guess what? It wouldn't pass. 




junior. This was from you on page 2 post #41, IG got me curious. I would love to see abortion put on the ballot. The pantywetters would literally go bonkers thinking that the dead baby industry might go bankrupt. I believe you are wrong, it would easily pass. Theres no such critter as a CHRISTIAN taliban. Christians are all about God, the taliban are all about hatred, death, satans disciples. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Re: "I believe you are wrong, it would easily pass."   Get out in the real world, PM.   People are wise to what your kind really want--no birth control and no abortions for any reason.  Your ilk would be laughed out of the voting booths.  Remember something: when you close a voting booth curtain, the preacher can't see how the church members vote.

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #242 on: February 09, 2011, 10:04:41 AM »
It would be an interesting vote for sure. I would guess it would be close. I would offer many who have lived with having had an abortion would vote aginst it and help insure others would also by telling their story.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #243 on: February 09, 2011, 10:36:43 AM »
junior. I don't think it would be real close at all. I don't know of any Reps who are pro death, but I know several dims who are pro life, even though they support the party of death. I have no problem with birth control junior, but have a big problem with the daily shedding of innocent blood and calling it birth control.
My ilk?? What is that?? Real Christians would vote to stop the slaughter and put the butchers and their helpers out of business. The fake Christians would still vote to kill, unlike the real ones. I worked with several folks who voted for the obamination cause he's black, but vehemently oppose the murder of the unborn and homosexuality. What is my ilk junior, ya got me curious??? POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #244 on: February 09, 2011, 11:11:43 AM »
  I would very much like to seen a vote concerning pro-life vs pro-death, or to be fair..anti-life vs anti-death.  In that case, I believe Junior and his "ilk" would be disappointed.  Current polling shows the pro-life to be gaining support by amazing numbers.  The shift in the last couple years has been dramatic;

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx

  The change in public attitude has come about just since newer procedures have been developed, showing the actual development & growth of the new little person in  the mother's womb.  The days of "silent scream", the video which caused formerly ignorant or uninformed individuals to realize the travesty of unhindered killings;...is past ! The little boy or girl can now be viewed in 3-D;...moving, swimming, , 'breathing', sucking his/her thumb and doing various other maneuvers   A vote now would likely overturn the historic, cold-blooded decision of Roe v Wade of 1973.  But if the liberal/progressives succeed in delaying such a referendum...the numbers of pro-life voters will likely only increase...
   
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« Reply #245 on: February 09, 2011, 12:29:59 PM »
  I would very much like to seen a vote concerning pro-life vs pro-death, or to be fair..anti-life vs anti-death.  In that case, I believe Junior and his "ilk" would be disappointed.  Current polling shows the pro-life to be gaining support by amazing numbers.  The shift in the last couple years has been dramatic;

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx

  The change in public attitude has come about just since newer procedures have been developed, showing the actual development & growth of the new little person in  the mother's womb.  The days of "silent scream", the video which caused formerly ignorant or uninformed individuals to realize the travesty of unhindered killings;...is past ! The little boy or girl can now be viewed in 3-D;...moving, swimming, , 'breathing', sucking his/her thumb and doing various other maneuvers   A vote now would likely overturn the historic, cold-blooded decision of Roe v Wade of 1973.  But if the liberal/progressives succeed in delaying such a referendum...the numbers of pro-life voters will likely only increase...
   

Honestly I wouldn't call any of those graphs a dramatic change, and honestly most of the "changes" are pretty much in with the rest of the cycle.  Show me that graph in a few more years when more people have changed there views and it shows a constant increase over the next 3 or 4 years then yes that would be a dramatic change and would be more valid for your argument.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #246 on: February 09, 2011, 01:49:22 PM »
  Bigbird;
    I am almost forced to ask you; are you familiar with graphs ?  Look again at the graph...  In '06  the opinion was 51% vs 41%  pro-death over pro-life. The lines converged until mid '08 when for the first time they crossed.  By mid 2010 the figures  were 51% vs 42%, favoring the pro-life side.  That's a 20 point swing in about 3 years (you wanted multiple years) ..and by extrapolating the trend, it is likely as one news program said, to be about 57% vs 38%..approximately a 40% swing since '06 !

   By reading the graph, clearly something very remarkable happened in mid 2008..when the pro-death numbers started a nosedive...and the pro-life numbers climbed aboard a mini rocket..  What took place in mid '08 when a radical shift took place;
  new technology ?... disillusionment with political positions ?  Clearly something took place in mid 2008... ???
 
   
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #247 on: February 09, 2011, 02:07:01 PM »
I'm wondering that about you,  that graph only goes to 2009.  Also this is only based on 1,015 votes with +/-3% accuracy,  I would hardly consider that relevant.  Also if you look at the other graphs there is a general consensus that abortion should be legal for a few circumstances, but free will abortion was on the decline.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #248 on: February 09, 2011, 02:18:24 PM »
junior. Do you have children or grandchildren?? Maybe friends children?? If the answer is yes I have a question for you. At conception there was life, the beginning of the lives you hold dear today, one and the same. Now, at what point during those pregnancies would it have been proper to kill those children?? These are kids you now know and love. Think about it. POWDERMAN.  :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #249 on: February 09, 2011, 06:10:29 PM »

   Not too alert there Yellowtail;
          When one does make a lifelong study of a subject..such as the Bible, chances are they have a bit better grasp of the Bible than ;   
      A) Somebody who THINKS he knows the Bible...and then "quotes" something somebody has told him is in the Bible, but really isn't found there.  (see Junior, post #41, pg 2)                                                                                  ....or
   B)  Somebody who normally attemptys  to ridicule the Bible and those who believe it, as he does in his post ....#41...pg 2

Nah... plenty alert. Let's check: did either of the guys you mentioned make any claim to a bible expert? Or a "bible expert"?
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #250 on: February 10, 2011, 03:06:36 AM »
yellow. IG made no such claims, nor anybody else. Do you have a point, or just enjoy stirring??? POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #251 on: February 10, 2011, 05:27:44 AM »
If you have not seen stright men switch of their own choice I suggest you visit a penitentry its done on a regular basis .

I don't think most of those guys switch of their own free will! It is usually very violent rape!

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« Reply #252 on: February 10, 2011, 05:38:11 AM »
for one maybe  ;)
But if you would work in one and see the ones who try to make their prison clothes look like a woman you might change your thought.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #253 on: February 11, 2011, 05:58:12 AM »
Likely after the fact and trying to survive! The people we incarcerate should be protected from the gang bangers. How do we expect them to come out any be any thing like normal, when we put them in a place where they are subjected to such brutally and perversion?

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #254 on: February 11, 2011, 06:04:56 AM »
junior. Please answer my post # 248. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #255 on: February 11, 2011, 09:22:00 AM »
Likely after the fact and trying to survive! The people we incarcerate should be protected from the gang bangers. How do we expect them to come out any be any thing like normal, when we put them in a place where they are subjected to such brutally and perversion?
You do understand we don't send pillars of socicity to jail ? What jail is one would term higher education for criminals. They learn new tricks to not get caught or pull more intense crime.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #256 on: February 11, 2011, 09:52:44 AM »
junior. Please answer my post # 248. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???

PM, people that think abortion is a woman choice, and that abortion is just fine, do not answer those kind of questions, because if they do, they will feel like they have lost some of their argument towards what abortion is.  Its like they never want to admit that its ok to kill an unborn child. In fact I have never heard a pro abortionist call it killing or murder. Its the reason they use terms like abortion, and "its a woman's choice". It sounds much nicer, and less barbaric.
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« Reply #257 on: February 11, 2011, 10:53:08 AM »
DDZ. True. I argued with 2 men several years ago about this. Both had daughters who had baby's out of wedlock, one at 14 the other at 15. I asked them how they felt when they found out they were pregnant. Both said they were really upset. I asked them how they get along now??? Threy both talked with great affection and pride telling me how much they loved those babies, both were about 6 months old. I told them that those babies they hold in their arms and play with were the same 2 babies that were in their daughters womb just a year before. Then I asked them at what point in their pregnancy did they think that those babies should have been killed??? 2 grown men both dropped their heads in shame. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #258 on: February 11, 2011, 12:38:23 PM »
Yes PM, that is a very good example. Its so much easier for people to just say lets get rid of it, when the baby is hidden inside its mom. To use killing as a method for someones "oops we made a mistake" is insane, and very selfish. Those that do it or even think of doing it, should hold their heads in shame.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #259 on: February 15, 2011, 05:39:18 AM »
I think I mentioned this in another forum or topic.  I have twin grandaughters, who were born premature at about 4 months.  They weighed about 1-1/2 lbs at birth.  Their heads were no bigger than a tennis ball and were only about a foot long.  They could breathe, had hair and nails, but had to be kept in the hospital until they were 5 lbs which took another couple of months.  Now, you can justify all you want about abortion, but it should be outlawed since these are individual human beings that can actually survive.  85% of babies born after 5 months survive.  Even Europe has outlawed abortions after 5 months.  Babies have heartbeats and brainwaves at 6 weeks.  They have hands and feed at about 8-10 weeks.  Come on, they aren't a mass of cells.  They are humans. 

First off, I think abortion should be a states right issue, not federal.  Second, if enough film of the stages of child development are shown, you better believe late terms and over 5 weeks, etc, etc would eventually be outlawed.  Condoms are free everywhere, birth control is free at health clinics.  There is no excuse for abortions.  Teenage lust can be tamed, it's not impossible.  Someone has suggested seperate days for boys and girls to attend school with year round school.  Like alternating days and weeks for school.  This would keep socialization between the sexes down and delay their first sexual encounters, hopefully by a few years, thus allowing them to mature more.  Going to year round school and graduating from high school at 16, and require public supported trade schools like Germany for two more years until they are 18 and can handle a real job. 

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #260 on: February 15, 2011, 06:42:18 AM »
DIXIE DUDE. Great post Sir. The biggest difference between us and them is that we have a conscience, and thats  from involving God in our lives. POWDERMAN.   :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #261 on: February 15, 2011, 12:06:04 PM »
I know of a couple people that are more near 28, been to college 4, 5 even 6 years and still can't handle a real job.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #262 on: February 16, 2011, 03:01:01 AM »
well bigbird09 they would make good politicans
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #263 on: February 16, 2011, 03:02:30 AM »
Abortion boild down to people who know right from wrong to those who want an easy way out of obligations.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #264 on: February 16, 2011, 03:18:56 AM »
Powderman;
   I see you haven't gotten an answer from JUNIOR to your question in post #248   Somehow, I don't believe you will get an answer,  at least not a straight, non-spin answer..
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #265 on: February 16, 2011, 04:14:49 AM »
IRONGLOW. The question was simple. He can't answer it without egg on his face, so he won't. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm