Rechambering for 7.62x25??

[hoopnitram]

Is there a barrel that would lend itself to rechambering to 7.62x25 Tolkarev? The cheep ammo makes it attractive, any ideas?
   Thanks,
   Hoop

[petemi]

I'm thinking.......and not really well educated in this caliber,......So guys correct me if I'm wrong.  You can't get a .30 caliber with that short a chamber.  It would mean, I believe, a rechamber and rebore if you could find a blank or a donor.  I guess my big question is "WHY".  There are lots of calibers that shoot better and just as economical, without all the gunsmithing.  You'd have to shoot it every day for 20 years to make up what you spent on it.

Pete

[quickdtoo]

Is there a barrel that would lend itself to rechambering to 7.62x25 Tolkarev? The cheep ammo makes it attractive, any ideas?
   Thanks,
   Hoop

Nope, not with just a rechamber, it will take a rebore, or a stubbed barrel, see the FAQs.


Tim

[manatee1947]

Yet another reason to lobby for H&R to produce full factory rifles that are unchambered, a sort of custom shop. You can always ream larger, but not reduce. The 22 hornet to 221 thread is really starting to look interesting to me. I also wonder about a 357 to 357 Herrett job, given the amount of 30/30 brass and how easy it is to make. I had a 357 Herrett contender that shot great, like an idiot I sold it. Anyway, a 308 bore blank barrel would include everything from 32 H&R to 30/06 improved. Just sayin...........

[LONGTOM]

Yet another reason to lobby for H&R to produce full factory rifles that are unchambered, a sort of custom shop. You can always ream larger, but not reduce. The 22 hornet to 221 thread is really starting to look interesting to me. I also wonder about a 357 to 357 Herrett job, given the amount of 30/30 brass and how easy it is to make. I had a 357 Herrett contender that shot great, like an idiot I sold it. Anyway, a 308 bore blank barrel would include everything from 32 H&R to 30/06 improved. Just sayin...........

Or a 300 Win Mag, 300Win Short Mag, and all the others that the frame won't stand up to.
That's why they will never offer unchambered barrels...



LONGTOM

[gcrank1]

I looked at this 7.62x25 idea too and gave it up for the reasons stated. I dont know if one of those chamber inserts might make it affordable to try. I havent heard about those being particularly accurate, nor do I have any feedback from anywhere about the quality of that cheap ammo.

Now that 357 Herritt sounds interesting, but thats another topic..........

[manatee1947]

I was thinking of them selling you the rifle for a base price and then charging a premium for the chamber, they would not cut one that would be a liability issue. Say they sell me a 257 bore rifle for $220 rifle, and then $75 to cut a 25/35 chamber. As for liability, if they published the list of what it would accept they should be no more liable than selling a 357 barrel that could be bored to 358 Norma Mag, but I was thinking the former.

[jeepmann1948]

Took some looking but I knew I had seen information on this
Re: Handi in 7.62X25 Tokerev
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 11:51:56 AM »

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That is me! My Handi-Tokarev was a stub project by my friend Kim in New York. It wears a medium heavey Lilja barrel at 16.5". Laminated stocks, glass and pillar bedded. #8 scope base screws. 2# trigger. It has taken coyote, deer, and a black bear sow, head shot with S&B fmj @ about 25 feet. My pistol was aquired in 1979 during a little trip to Prague courtesy a a military organization that I am unable to mention. During a trip to Buda pest in 2006 I got to talk to a bunch of different Nato folks who claim that the round still commands alot of respect in Eastern Europe due to it's body armour piercing characteristics. I can e-mail Kim's info on request as he is banned here due to a former association with an unscrupulous fellow. He got shafted, but went on to become a creative and very upfront guy. My best, Guy
Here is the link to the post:
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,161338.msg1098720000.html#msg1098720000

[dpe.ahoy]

I have one of the CZ-52 pistols and would love to have a short Handi in that caliber.  I was really amazed at how flat it shot out of the pistol.  DP

[gcrank1]

Though I think you could probably call them 'Skippy'........
Just be aware.

[mcwoodduck]

What about either a 30-30 or a 308 and a chamber insert?
Make a balnk 30-30 or 308 case out of steel and then chamber the back to accept the tokarov round.
There were a bunch of these chamber inserts a few years ago.
making it able to fire 22LR or 22Mag out of a 223 and making 308, 30-06, or 300 Win able to shoot either 30 Carbine or 32 Acp.
Not sure why one of these in 32 ACP could not be rechambered to the 7.62X 25.

[Jimbo47]

I bought a chamber insert in the 7.62 x 25 that fit the chamber of my .303 british rifle and I ordered the insert from Sportsmans Guide last year, along with a box of the cheap ammo.

I bought it to play with along with my insert for the .32 ACP which works fine and is pretty accurate also.

Well, you might want to save your money if you are interested in that as the 7.62 X 25 round sticks in the insert after firing and it didn't matter how much I polished the insert on the inside it would not let the case out of the insert without the help of a dowel and some robust tapping with a plastic mallet.

I would have probably worked several more hours polishing it but the accuracy just wasn't there to make it worth while.

Just to make a long story short that experiment led me to get introduced to Trailboss powder and loading sub sonic loads that were 100 times more accurate and quiet just loading down my reg .303 loads.

[gcrank1]

Jim, I cant help but wonder if there way too much bore dia. in the 303B for the OD of that little bullet. Do you think it might have been more accurate in a typical American 30 caliber chambering?
That case sticking thing might be addressed by carefully filing a pair of opposing 'extraction' flats to get the tip of a pocket screwdriver into; not elegant, but maybe save some frustration.

[Jimbo47]

It could be with the .303 brit bullets and 7.62 x 39 ranging from .310-.312

I've used the 7.62 x 39 .310 dia. bullets loaded with trailboss and they shoot about 1 inch at 50 yards.

30 carbine are .308-.311 so it should be in the ball park.

They only offered the 7.62 x 25 in the .303 brit insert so that is why I tried it.

Not accurate for whatever reason, the insert ejected just fine, but it was the stuck cases inside the insert that was the pain, it just wasn't worth messing with when I could get good accuracy from reloading my .303 brit using the trailboss and those 7.62 x 39 123 grain jhp .310 dia. bullets.

[gcrank1]

What dia. are those 7.62x25 running?
I did figure your insert extracted OK, just thought if the insert were filed like it was an actual chamber that a guy could coax the cases out while leaving the insert inchamber.
BTW, I used pulled 7.62x39 bullets in my Martini Enfield 303 AC carbine with success too, but it was a surprise because the B/G on it was more like .310/.314; it must have barely been hanging onto the jackets.