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I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« on: May 30, 2011, 11:22:29 AM »
Was out hunting yesterday.  I was carrying my TCR in .338 Win Mag.  I had my 30-06 Handi along as back-up if the TCR had problems, but left it in the truck.  (I always carry an extra rifle).  We were walking along the pipeline right of way when Al saw a Grizzly.  Bear was in the brush beside the clear cut area.  We were down wind, so Al slipped down the trail till he could get a clear shot.  I stayed there in case bear tried to run in that direction.  When shot Bear spun, took off running straight at me.  I took a shot at running bear, hitting it too far to the right, and high in the chest.  Took forever to get that empty out from the extractor, replace the cartridge, then close the gun to make another shot.  Luckily by then bear had rolled. 

While Al started skinning I walked back to the truck and switched rifles.  If I had taken my Handi with ejector I could have reloaded in half the time.  TCs are staying home till snow flies, and the bears go in.  Till then I will be carrying my trusty 30-06 with ejectors.  Would rather carry smaller cartridge with ejectors than larger cartridge and extractors.  As we left the truck the first time I kept telling my self I was messing up. 
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 11:55:06 AM »
I was wondering the same thing about my next handi just for follow-up shots on whitetail opening day... that'd be damn scary with bears.  how big was that grizzly?  :o
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 12:02:27 PM »
Quote from: Squib on May 30, 2011, 11:55:06 AM
I was wondering the same thing about my next handi just for follow-up shots on whitetail opening day...


Why would you need a follow up shot on a whitetail?



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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 12:14:39 PM »
Rog,
  How about getting that '06 Ultracomp barrel rebored to a 338-06?

http://www.35caliber.com/index.html


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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 12:28:16 PM »
i'd kinda like a 270 short mag.....ifin it wasa possible ;)
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 12:31:15 PM »
you never see them travel in groups?  I can't imagine I'd do well plucking short, rimless cases out quickly on a scoped handi.  as of now all I have is a .45-70 (iron sights, large and rimmed cartridge) so that issue is minimal, but without a rim and with a scope and hammer extension in the way with gloves on in the cold.....

I'll assume that was the issue in alaskan cold, gloves on handling a rimless case... and it was a BIGGER rimless case to grab onto.

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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 12:45:52 PM »
Sourdough, have you given any thought to getting an ejector Handi in .35 Whelen? I think that would be something that would do the job for you. And I am with you on only wanting ejector single shots for hunting, especially something that might eat you. The worst critters we have where I hunt are black bears, but I even prefer ejectors for moose, deer, and varmint hunting....<><....:)
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 12:59:13 PM »
I can imagine that I'd fumble a round really easily with cold, numb hands WITHOUT being fearful of mauling and death, I think he's doing alright!   :o
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 02:08:51 PM »
Quote from: MSP Ret on May 30, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
Sourdough, have you given any thought to getting an ejector Handi in .35 Whelen?
I think he has one allready.  ;)
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 04:07:27 PM »
SD,

Glad you got the Grizz and not the other way around.   Is there a way to convert your 338 Mag to ejector?  You have more courage than me, I would at least have a lever gun if not an autoloader, plus a larger caliber sidearm.

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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 05:24:10 PM »
I don't modify much on my handis so I don't read as much as a bunch of you do on changes and mods,  but I thought Tim posted that you can change an ejector to be an extractor AND I thought you could make an extractor into an ejector with some modification. I may be wrong but I thought I read that in a post a couple months ago. Sorry for steering you in the wrong direction if I am wrong.  thejanitor
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2011, 06:40:59 PM »
I think it's in the middle of the faqs/guide page?
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2011, 06:48:19 PM »
Quote from: thejanitor on May 30, 2011, 05:24:10 PM
I don't modify much on my handis so I don't read as much as a bunch of you do on changes and mods,  but I thought Tim posted that you can change an ejector to be an extractor AND I thought you could make an extractor into an ejector with some modification. I may be wrong but I thought I read that in a post a couple months ago. Sorry for steering you in the wrong direction if I am wrong.  thejanitor

That's correct, but he was using a TCR 338 Win Mag, not a Handi. His ejector Handi was in the truck. If he could have it his way, he would like to have a 338 WM Handi rifle with ejectors. Rog is a big fan of the Handi rifles, but they are limited to non-magnum cases due to the strength of the frames.

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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2011, 07:08:03 PM »
Quote from: Dinny on May 30, 2011, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: thejanitor on May 30, 2011, 05:24:10 PM
I don't modify much on my handis so I don't read as much as a bunch of you do on changes and mods,  but I thought Tim posted that you can change an ejector to be an extractor AND I thought you could make an extractor into an ejector with some modification. I may be wrong but I thought I read that in a post a couple months ago. Sorry for steering you in the wrong direction if I am wrong.  thejanitor

That's correct, but he was using a TCR 338 Win Mag, not a Handi. His ejector Handi was in the truck. If he could have it his way, he would like to have a 338 WM Handi rifle with ejectors. Rog is a big fan of the Handi rifles, but they are limited to non-magnum cases due to the strength of the frames.

Thanks, Dinny

I was right.?! wait here I need to go get my family to read this.... They won't believe it if I don't show them in print.  :)   thejanitor
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2011, 07:11:53 PM »
Stop before you admit to more than you need to. I would tell your wife that you were only mistaken. ;)


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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2011, 09:04:14 PM »
I carry the 30-06 so much I forget I have a .35 Whelen.  Got it out and will take it to the range tomorrow to make sure the scope is still on.  I can shoot 250gr Nosler Partitions with it, with a pretty hot load.  The Whelen is going to see more use after this little incident.  Just pulled it out of the vault, it needs a new scope, I don't like the one on it.  3X9X40 with a straight cross hair reticle.  I will change it out for one with mil dots.

No it was not cold, and I was bot wearing gloves.  Just not a lot of room to grab the empty shell with the TCR.  Scope also intrudes into the space, and the TCR is a lot harder to open than a Handi.

We were looking for Black Bears, not Grizzlies.  Bear was small as Grizzlies go, but his first so he is happy.  It measured 5 1/2 ft, nose to tail.  His shot took out the heart and lung.  My shot hit the same lung, but went on back and broke the left rear leg ball joint.  Love those Nosler Partitions, they do penetrate. 
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2011, 04:29:23 AM »
Sourdough, I have to admit that you've got bigger stones than I do.  As much as I like a nice single shot, in the kind of bear country you're in I'd be carrying a lever, bolt, pump, semi auto, or something that had a quicker follow up in griz country.  I can't imagine going out there with a single shot regardless of how much I practiced and liked the gun.

My biggest compaint of the new H&R handi's is that they got rid of the ejectors and put in the extractors.  I hate that extractor.  One of my first high powered rifles was  handi 30-06 and it had the ejector.  I made a big mistake ever selling that.
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2011, 08:24:26 PM »
I started with a Pump myself and the wife carried a Semi-auto.  Then i progressed to bolts actions.  Finally i moved to the single shots.  I can reload my handi faster than many people can work a bolt action. 
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2011, 09:57:42 PM »
the 338 mag is mean gun. my son has a remington bolt action ive seen him shoot elk and mule deer they just flop over. the ammo is sure pricey the ultra mag is worse. if was to hunt griz that's what i would use.you would know better than me.good luck  hunting .
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2011, 04:17:21 AM »
Hey Sourdough, what bullets do you load in your 30-06?  When I've taken a 30-06 black bear hunting I always load the 220gr bullets, because the shots are so close and I figure well why not.  I'd just be curious what's your favorite flavor of 30-06 up there in Alaska for your purposes.  I imagine you've had more real life big game hunting experience than most everyone here, especially me.
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2011, 04:56:09 AM »
if H&R won't do magnum cases then they should atleast do one in 338 federal. I would love to have one of those!!
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2011, 05:24:03 AM »
Quote from: scratchmark on June 01, 2011, 04:56:09 AM
if H&R won't do magnum cases then they should atleast do one in 338 federal. I would love to have one of those!!

I had the same idea a few years ago and it was added to the H&R Wish List.


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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2011, 02:14:23 PM »
teddy12b:  Depends on what I am going after.  165gr Sierria BT is my favorite for Caribou, Black Bear, and Wolves.  180gr nosler Partition for Moose and Grizzly.  The only reason I don't load the 200 or 220gr is range.
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2011, 06:38:27 PM »
I know they won't do belted mags, would a 338 Marlin work ??
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2011, 06:41:48 PM »
Quote from: manatee1947 on June 01, 2011, 06:38:27 PM
I know they won't do belted mags, would a 338 Marlin work ??

It would work fine, it's not exactly a new idea tho, Remington knows we want it, the H&R/Marlin Brand Manager was all for it  when I posted the poll, he left Remington in Dec 2009, a 338 MX Handi still hasn't happened.  :-\

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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2011, 04:36:14 AM »
is there any way a petition( so to speak) could be done to present to H&R for a new caliber, just to show interest and demand?
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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2011, 09:21:01 AM »
scratchmark:  Back in the mid to late 90s I sent a letter to Mr Garrison, then President and CEO of New England Firearms.  I asked them to remake the Muzzleloader, and to chamber for the .35 Whelen.  I recieved a letter from Mr Garrison.  In reguards to the .35 Whelen saying due to the high cost of research and development it was not in NEFs future.  About the Muzzleloader, no way was it going to happen.  Any questions call him.  I filled that letter away.

About a year later I saw advertisements for the RMEF Commemorative in .35 Whelen.  So I dug out my letter and called him.  Mr Garrison told me how the Rocky Mountain Elk Federation had approched him with the idea of the special run.  I informed him I did not want a commemorative to carry around in the Alaska Bush.  He said to send in and order and they would barrel me up a standard Handi in .35 Whelen.

Then we discussed the "Huntsman" muzzleloader.  At this point I could tell Mr Garrison was getting stressed.  He was trying to be polite, but I could tell he was real upset.  He told me NEF would never make a muzzleloader.  He would not put the company or the employees through such legal jeopardy again.  He explained how law suites over the Huntsman was the down fall of the old H&R firearms company.  The employees had banded together and bought the assets and patents thus New England Firearms was born.

When Marlin bought out NEF they brought back a redesigned Muzzleloader.


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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2011, 09:29:07 AM »
Hey Rog,
  Do you still have his phone number? ;D Do you think he would get tired of hearing from us? After a second thought,  you better hold onto that number. I could just imagine the requests he would get..... ::)


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Re: I wish H&R would make a .338 Mag with ejectors
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2011, 04:08:01 PM »
Dinny:  Mr Garrison was CEO for NEF.  NEF was sold to Marlin, and became H&R 1971,  H&R and Marlin was bought out by Remington I believe.  Then moved with new employees.  Mr Garrison is long gone.
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