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My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« on: February 18, 2011, 08:32:14 PM »
I picked up a Contender 35 rem with the thoughts of swapping the barrel out for a 30.30. Before I made the swap I took it to the range to get a feel for the round after a few down range I realized she didnt have too much more recoil then my SBHH so we talked and she wants to stay with me. I dont know much about this round so I have a few questions about the set up. I know the 30.30 and the 35 Rem are almost the same round but what kinda range can I get out of the 35 Rem? I bought it for a 50yrd treestand deer gun . What kinda groups are you guys getting from her with factory ammo. Does Hornady rounds work well. The more info you guy can share with me the more gratefull I will be. I dont reload thats why I asked about factory ammo.

Heres what she looks like . I took the Burris scope of because Im gonna go with a Burris Fastfire for the thick stuff.



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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2011, 12:55:46 AM »
The .35 Rem. is a good step up in power from a .30-30 in a handgun. It is a good 150 yard deer gun if the shooter is capable. After 150 yards the trajectory drops fast. Personally, I would prefer a scope to the Fastfire, but a person could do good work with either.

FWIW, having a hammer spur on a Contender is asking for trouble (misfires and broken hammer springs). Many / most people ignore that advice, and have to learn based on their own experience.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2011, 02:33:12 AM »
i love my burris fast fire. i have it mounted on my .222 barrel for coyote hunting. i hunt at night and pistol scopes are just to dark. it's small, light, and is very fast to get on target. at 100 yards on a 6" target the dot seems to be huge and mentally you wouldn't think it would be accurate. however i seem to be able to pull off inch groups with it, while sitting on a one legged hunting stool and resting on my shooting stick's. i'm thinking about putting one on my .358 JDJ barrel instead of a scope. i can't help ya much with the 30-30 vs .35 rem though.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2011, 03:22:33 AM »
The .35 Rem. is a good step up in power from a .30-30 in a handgun. It is a good 150 yard deer gun if the shooter is capable. After 150 yards the trajectory drops fast. Personally, I would prefer a scope to the Fastfire, but a person could do good work with either.

FWIW, having a hammer spur on a Contender is asking for trouble (misfires and broken hammer springs). Many / most people ignore that advice, and have to learn based on their own experience.

Rite on for the info and the hammer spur will be coming off. So with the 35 Rem being a step up in power from 30.30 are you saying the recoil isnt as bad with the 30.30? As for the fastfire I plan to use her in thick cover and its easier to pick up my target with the fastfire than the scope.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2011, 03:23:55 AM »
i love my burris fast fire. i have it mounted on my .222 barrel for coyote hunting. i hunt at night and pistol scopes are just to dark. it's small, light, and is very fast to get on target. at 100 yards on a 6" target the dot seems to be huge and mentally you wouldn't think it would be accurate. however i seem to be able to pull off inch groups with it, while sitting on a one legged hunting stool and resting on my shooting stick's. i'm thinking about putting one on my .358 JDJ barrel instead of a scope. i can't help ya much with the 30-30 vs .35 rem though.

I put a fastfire on my SBHH and its marvelous!

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2011, 06:11:39 AM »
I don't know about 35 Rem in TC but it is an awsome deer round in a lever rifle.  My experience with the Hornady Leverevolution ammo has been with 45-70 in a 12" Contender, performance was good (1 1/2" groups at 50 yards) but recoil was severe.  In my Marlin 30-30 I can tell it is a little "hotter" but not a lot more.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2011, 07:15:57 AM »
My 14" .35 loves the Leverevolution ammo.  I have tried to duplicate that load with my hand loads.  The Hornady .35 SSP built is tough to beat also.
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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 08:51:56 AM »
Asquires 2,
Yes, the recoil will be a bit less in a Contender with a .30-30 and 125-150 gr. bullets than with the .35 Rem. using say 180-200 gr. bullets. Those cartridges are at their best in a handgun using bullets within those ranges.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2011, 10:03:47 AM »
Now Ken you have started some trouble! Like I said I originally wanted the 30.30 barrel but bought the 35 with the intent to trade. I wanted the 30.30 because I seen what it does to a deer and I have a Marlin 336 already in a 30.30 so I wouldnt really have to buy another round. Something in the back of my head was telling me to follow my vision and I didnt , shame on me!


As for the leverlution I was wondering was it a hot load and now I know , thx for the info.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2011, 03:35:30 PM »
I have both a 30-30 and a 35 Rem barrel. Mine are both 14"ers. My 35 Rem does have the muzzle tamer, while the 30-30 does not. As far as recoil goes, with identical barrels, the 35 Rem will by nature have more recoil. Simple physics, bullet with more mass, moves the gun more in the opposite direction.

I shoot handloads out of both my barrels, so I can't help you with factory ammo advice. I did get a couple of boxes of Remington core lok't ammo someone gave me for the 35 Rem. I was not impressed. My handloads were definitely more accurate than the Rem factory stuff.

I have heard good things from several different folks about the Hornady leverevolution ammo, so I think I would start there. As an aside, if you get into handloading, it is not hard to duplicate the same ballistics from the 14" Contender as you can the levergun. My 35 Rem prefers the Hornady 200 gr round nose bullet. I seat them long.

I would consider the 35 Rem to be an excellent tree stand gun, out to 150 yards. The hard task will be practicing enough that you can reliably hit the kill zone that far out with a handgun. It's not as easy as it sounds, but can be done with practice.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2011, 03:58:37 PM »
I wasnt planning to use the 35 for long distance . I was more for a 50 yrd pistol. It would be awesome to drop a deer with a handgun at 100+ yrds but for now Ill stick to the chip shot atleast until I get alot more practice under my belt.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2011, 06:03:23 PM »
I agree with Ken the .35 Remington kills all out of proportion to its paper ballistics. It's a great deer round and one of the few that gives up little to nothing in a 14" barrel as compared to the normal 20" lever gun barrel.

I've used little factory ammo in the several such barrels I've owned and always load 200 grain RN bullets for it. That's the ONLY bullet I use in it for my Marlin and what I used in the TCs. That bullet and round are made for each other and I personally see no need for any other for the .35 Remington.

All the half dozen or so barrels I've owned so chambered shot exceptionally well as did the one .357 Herrett barrel I bought. One I had JD rechamber to .358 JDJ was even more accurate afterward but man that thing kicked. I had him put an arrestor brake on it and while it stopped all twist and lift it put all the recoil right into the web of my hand and I just can't take that level of recoil there due to a bone spur or calcium deposit or some such hard knot on the base of my right thumb.

I had another excuse for a gunsmith rechamer one to his version of the .358/444. He ruined the super accurate SS barrel I sent him took many months and eventually sent a barrel to me he rechambered that shot poorly at best. We won't mention any names as the word censor would just remove the name anyway.


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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2011, 03:26:28 AM »
My very first Contender was a .35 Rem, a Super 14 before muzzle breaks were on them. It was not bad at ALL in the recoil department and I was told it would be a 'bear'.
I mounted a Leupold 2x in Leupold mounts. I thought it was a pussycat compared to the 44 Rem Mag Contenders I'd shot, even the 14" barrel 44s!
The one thing that amazed me was the accuracy. That barrel would hide bullet holes under the crosshairs! I never did get to kill a deer with it because for somer reason I traded it off.
I now have a 357 Max and enjoy it mostly because I like .35 caliber AND the ease of shooting 38 Spl out of it if I want. I had a .357 Herret barrel [14"] but sold it before I even shot it. I think the .35 Rem is a great round for any Contender, and the Maxium is right there with it. Include the Herrett if you can find the dies at a reasonable price and don't mind some extra work making cases.
The .35s are great.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 04:18:53 PM »
For a 50-100 yard shot on deer, I don't see that the .35 has  any advantage over the .30-30.  I had considered both but went with the .30-30 based on a much better selection of bullets and the easy availability of factory ammo and cheap/free brass ( I handload).
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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 04:31:36 PM »
For a 50-100 yard shot on deer, I don't see that the .35 has  any advantage over the .30-30.  I had considered both but went with the .30-30 based on a much better selection of bullets and the easy availability of factory ammo and cheap/free brass ( I handload).


Thats what I kicked around too. The 30.30 is more avaliable for me . I checked local gun stores for 35rem and found nothing as for 30.30 ammo I can go to Wally World and pick it up and go to the local gunstores and have my way with the selection of 30.30. Thats why I traded the 35 for a 30.30. I talked to her (Contender ) and she understood. So as it stands once she is put back together she will be a 30.30 sweet 14 with a Burris Fastfire. If everything goes as planned all that will take place this weekend.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2011, 05:53:53 AM »
For a 50-100 yard shot on deer, I don't see that the .35 has  any advantage over the .30-30.  I had considered both but went with the .30-30 based on a much better selection of bullets and the easy availability of factory ammo and cheap/free brass ( I handload).


Thats what I kicked around too. The 30.30 is more avaliable for me . I checked local gun stores for 35rem and found nothing as for 30.30 ammo I can go to Wally World and pick it up and go to the local gunstores and have my way with the selection of 30.30. Thats why I traded the 35 for a 30.30. I talked to her (Contender ) and she understood. So as it stands once she is put back together she will be a 30.30 sweet 14 with a Burris Fastfire. If everything goes as planned all that will take place this weekend.

I'm sure you will be pleased with that combination.  I have one of the old, six-groove, factory, Super 14's in .30-30, and love it.  I use it for Whitetails but am not ashamed to take it to the range - no sir.  It is extremely accurate and likes everything I feed it, including cast.  At present I have a cheap NC Star 2-7X mounted on it.  Folks I shoot/hunt with are amazed at what a .30-30 can do with good bullets.  As an added bonus, in the Fall I find once-fired brass lying all over at the local ranges.  Seems that with the inexpensive availability of commercial ammo few people save their brass to reload.  With that long neck the .30-30 just might be my favorite caliber to handload. 

That being said, I agree with the other posters who extoll the virtues of the venerable .35 Rem.  You used to see quite a few of them in the U.P. deer woods but they are fast disappearing as the old hunters hang up their guns.  I too had seriously considered the .35 before I picked up the .30-30.

Hope everything goes as planned an you have a nice weekend.



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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 11:56:00 AM »
Keeping my fingers crossed my 30.30 barrel should be here tomorrow and I ordered a Burris fastfire for it this morning which should be here tomorrow also.  With that being said I hope to be on the range this weekend. Im gonna call my gunsmith and have him do a trigger job on it for me, I love a 2lbs trigger!

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 02:56:14 PM »
 I had a 35 Rem. in the super 14 back in 82, I had alot of miss fires in it, headspacing, I sold it . Then later someone cut the chamber with a rim on it and used the 30-30 case , 35- 30-30 and stop the case from going to deep in the chamber, anyone ever done that and does this problem still happen, Thanks- Joe

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2011, 03:51:31 PM »
I dont have a pic of the 30.30 alone yet but I got her put together w/ packy gips and shes awesome. The Packy grips made a big difference in the recoil. When I had the wood furniture on it , I took her for a spin and to be honest she was a little rough so I ordered the packy grips for her and she sweet!

Rite now Im shooting 150 grains through her just to get familiar with her > I kinda wished I wouldve waited on trading the 35 Rem until I tried the Packy grips on it but the 30.30 is what I originally wanted and thats what I have.

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I called my gunsmith to put a 2lbs trigger on her bit Im thinking of keeping her just the way she is,

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2011, 04:06:02 PM »
You won't be sorry you got the .30-30, believe me.  It's one Contender barrel I wouldn't part with.  Mine is pretty tame with factory 150's.  My .45 70 on the other hand will get your attention. 
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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2011, 02:48:03 AM »
125 gr Nosler ballistic tips are wicked on deer and very accurate. Work up to a max charge of IMR 4198. You should be able to get 2400 fps or a little better. I shoot the 30-30AI and I get 2670 fps from a 14" barrel. I hammered three deer in their tracks from 45 to 80 yards and another BIG buck that took three jumps and dropped dead this past season. If you ever get the hankering for more horse power the AI conversion is WELL WORTH IT. Case like is unbelievable with the AI also.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2011, 03:36:29 AM »
I have to say as of now Im real happy with my Contender in 30.30. I cant wait until I get her to the rifle range to see what she will do out to 100yrds off hand. By the way what kinda range can I expect from it?

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2011, 05:19:21 AM »
I would probably hold to inside of 100 yards until you get used to it, and practice a bunch. Your shooting style, and your resultant ammo selection will "dictate" to you how far YOUR effective range is, with your gun, and your chosen ammo. If you can keep all your shots on a paper plate, from a field position, I would say you can effectively take a deer at that same distance.

For factory ammo, you may have to try a few different loads to find one it likes. I've only fired 2 factory loads from mine. Both were given to me, one was an old box of Sears "Ted Williams" ammo, and the other was the standard Remington green and yellow core locks. Neither one of those loads shot very well for me, both went over 2"s @ 100 yards, if I recall, and that was shot from a solid bench rest with a variable power scoped barrel.

If I hadn't already known what the barrel was capable of accuracy wise, I would have been greatly discouraged. My barrel prefers the 150 gr Sierra gamekings and the 150 Nosler ballistic tips to the 125's. It will shoot both of those bullets into ragged hole groups from the bench. I say that to give you the comparison test of various loads, and the possibility that you may see some large differences in group size.

If I was saddled with having to buy factory ammo, I think today I would go out and try the new Hornady leverrevolution ammo. I've never fired any of it, in any caliber. But, I hear far too many good reports about it all over the place not to take it seriously.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2011, 07:37:43 AM »
Ive got a couple friends that swear by Hornady. Ill try them once I can get to outdoor range. Has anyone had a trigger job done on their Contender and if so what did you adjust it to, Im thinking of doing a 2 maybe 3 lb trigger on mine?

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2011, 08:25:34 AM »
I have that same set up, 14" Muzzletamer barrel and it loves Hornady Leverlution 200 gr.  I'm talking sub inch at 100 yds, well sandbagged of course.  I've built some handloads that are close, but not quite there.  I'd shoot 200 yds with it from a good rest for deer, no problem on the gong at that range.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2011, 09:58:39 AM »
I picked up a Contender 35 rem with the thoughts of swapping the barrel out for a 30.30.  I took the Burris scope off because I'm gonna go with a Burris Fastfire for the thick stuff.

I think it's funny that the Burris 1.5-4x20 I bought from you was on a Contender S-14 in 35 REM and it landed on a Contender S-14 in 35 REM.  I also use Pachmayr Decelerator grips on my G2 for the "kickers" in my barrel collection.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2011, 10:50:42 AM »
I picked up a Contender 35 rem with the thoughts of swapping the barrel out for a 30.30.  I took the Burris scope off because I'm gonna go with a Burris Fastfire for the thick stuff.

I think it's funny that the Burris 1.5-4x20 I bought from you was on a Contender S-14 in 35 REM and it landed on a Contender S-14 in 35 REM.  I also use Pachmayr Decelerator grips on my G2 for the "kickers" in my barrel collection.

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Ha guy ! Is that what you put the scope on Tender 35?  I traded the 35rem for a 30.30 topped with a Burris Fastfire with Packy furniture, Shes ready to rock now!

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Re: My Contender 35 rem, Hammer spur question
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2011, 04:31:40 PM »
Ahoy Guys,  I dont understand why the hammer spurs can cause misfires and broken springs  on contenders?  Could some one explain the problem.    Also how does a Burris 3x9 scope sound on a 14" 35 Rem.   thanks  Mike  (lakeglendale)

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2011, 12:25:57 AM »
My opinion?  They don't "cause" broken hammer springs.  They may hasten one that's on the way out anyhow though.  Hammer springs break with or without hammer extensions, it's a known fact.

Other than that, I have hammer extensions on three out of four frames and experience no misfires that aren't attributable to other causes (head space for instance).  I'm inclined to believe that most of those cases are weak hammer springs as well and the extension just puts it over the edge.  There are those here that would disagree, however.

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Re: My Contender in a 35 Rem...........
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2011, 01:11:39 PM »
Ahoy Curtis,   Thanks,   Mike