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By GARRY RAYNO
New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
Thursday, Mar. 10, 2011

CONCORD – New Hampshire may soon be rolling back gun control laws to allow anyone to carry a firearm without a concealed weapons permit.

The House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee voted 11-6 Wednesday to recommend HB 330 (click to view status and text) pass the House. In addition to eliminating concealed weapons permits, the bill removes restrictions related to transporting firearms in vehicles.

While the bill expands the right to carry a firearm, those changes will not trump other laws that ban weapons from public schools, restrict who may possess a weapon, or govern hunting, according to lawmakers.

Rep. Kenneth Kreis, R-Canterbury, who chaired the sub-committee that worked on the bill, said the law would allow someone to carry a weapon on a snowmobile for example, but that person could still be prosecuted for hunting out of season if he shot a deer.

“I don’t believe any of us want a 16-year-old carrying a concealed weapon,” he said.

Several Democrats on the committee were concerned eliminating the concealed weapon permit requirement could allow a person with mental illness to carry a concealed weapon.

"We're saying anybody over the age of 18 can carry a concealed weapon and go any place they want to go," said Rep. Laura Pantelakos, D-Portsmouth. "We're opening up the flood gates with this bill and heading into very, very dangerous waters."

The committee also voted 14-3 to hold HB 536 until next year. The bill would make it a natural right to carry a firearm without a permit, openly or concealed.

The committee did recommend HB 378 be approved by the House. The bill removes the mandatory jail sentence for committing a felony while armed. The mandatory sentence provision is what sent Ward Bird to jail.

Bird had his sentence commuted in February by the Executive Council. He was convicted of criminal threatening for brandishing a handgun in front of a woman when she came onto his Moultonborough property in 2006.

Advocates of Bird said he was wrongly convicted, which touched off a statewide debate over gun rights and protecting one's property.

The committee recommended the House kill HB 576, which several members called the "shoot to kill" bill. The bill was also intended to address Ward Bird's situation, but long-time committee member Rep. David Welch, R-Kingston, said it did more much than that.

"You could shoot someone for stealing your hubcaps," he said.

The Castle Doctrine
The committee also voted to recommend the House approve one of three bills that would expand the "Castle Doctrine," which allows people to defend themselves in their homes, to any public place."

Under current law, a person should first try to retreat from a threat before using deadly force. All three bills, HB 207, HB 210 and HB 567, would eliminate that requirement.

The committee recommended HB 210 be approved, while the other two should be killed.

HB 207 and HB 567 would have given criminal and civil immunity to any person who legally uses deadly force. And HB 567 would created the presumption that when a person uses deadly force to protect themselves, an attacker intended to cause harm.

Law enforcement opposed all three bills.

A similar bill passed the legislature in 2006, but was vetoed by Gov. John Lynch.

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Re: NH to expand castle doctrine and approve unlicensed carry.
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 10:18:48 AM »
I have never known a law abiding citizen to commit crimes. When will the politicians realize this.

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 11:18:09 AM »
SHU
I don't think I would make a blanket statement like that.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 11:58:51 AM »
 I hope it passes, William.  ;)

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 03:37:52 PM »
Personally, I like it better that folks have to go through background checks, get fingerprinted, and take a safety course to get a permit to carry. Yeah, it can be a pain in the butt but it weeds out a lot of people I'd just as soon weren't carrying. At least those going through it are moderately familiar with a firearm by the time they get their permit. People that have never even held a gun, going out and buying and then carrying, scare me worse than the Bad Guys!

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 04:24:32 PM »
Personally, I like it better that folks have to go through background checks, get fingerprinted, and take a safety course to get a permit to carry. Yeah, it can be a pain in the butt but it weeds out a lot of people I'd just as soon weren't carrying. At least those going through it are moderately familiar with a firearm by the time they get their permit. People that have never even held a gun, going out and buying and then carrying, scare me worse than the Bad Guys!

Well stated. While i have to give kudos to states that recognize individual Liberties, and am against gov't hand in daily living affairs. I do not really have a problem with state mandated arms safety classes/qualifications. I do think that they should have exceptions to that though, hunters that have probably already had training of course LEO and military/vets. Competancy in marksmanship and class review of states laws certainly couldn't hurt.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 05:40:07 PM »
I understand the need for training and safety but for those of us who were raised hunting, shooting, and knowing gun safety it ticks me off to be required to get a lecense to protect myself or my family. There has to be a happy medium here. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 03:39:05 AM »
Mr. Layton,
My statement is law abiding citizens do not comit crimes. I have never known a law abiding citizen to murder, rape, burglarize, rob, commit arson etc. I have known people who live outside the law do those things. Our government has insisted on background checks etc. In cases where there have been people shooting into crowds, the system failed. So the first thought the government has is more restrictive laws. When the solution is fix the broken system. The kid in Arizona had been through the system many times and it was always plea bargained down. Nothing bad showed up during the back ground checks. He purchased a gun and shot into a crowd of people. Same with the guy at Virgina tech. The system does not work  becuase of flaws in it. Instead of fixing the flaw, it is easier to demand everyone else conform to a new law, that will not be enforced but cost taxpayers more money.

California requires you take a test before the purchase of a handgun, regardless of a hunter safety course, prior military service or prior law enforcement. Your "ok to purchase handguns" card last for 5 years ( I think) and you have to pay to take the test.

California also requires a 10 day cooling off period for handguns and long guns.

California has a very high plea bargain rate.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 07:52:55 AM »
Good point, Shu. I remember grocery shopping in Nevada at 3am and several persons open carried as it is allowed. All cordial folks and friendly at that. It has worked for Alaska and Vermont so why not. A basic class? Kinda on the fence on that one.  Felons use firearms daily to kill folks yet they survive so the functioning and marksmanship doesn't seem to be a problem, as in the same fight a defensive shooter should not have a problem.  It is more about criminals and not so much about guns. And rarely does an honest person obtain a gun without being familiar with guns. That is just a trait of honest citizens. Its easy..... If you commit a felony you can't carry a gun. If you have not then carry at will. And being in both Arizona and Nevada, eventhough it is legal, most folks don't carry open at all. The smell of Political Correctness seems to outweigh the need to defend themselves. And that I can not explain.....

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Re: NH to expand castle doctrine and approve unlicensed carry.
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 03:45:24 PM »
Our moonbat governor John Lynch will veto this just like he vetoes every other piece of pro gun legislation. The best we can hope for is they have enough votes that they can override his veto. I am glad that both our senate and house are now dominated by pro gun people since the Democrats got booted in the last election. Unfortunately we still have an anti gun Democrat governor.

To those who stated that they are in favor of government mandated training for concealed carry permits I offer this reminder:

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Shouldn't we always err on the side of the Constitution in matters like this? A government mandated training class is an infringement any way you look at it.

If government mandated training classes for concealed carry permits are such a good idea then how come states which mandate extensive training such as Massachusetts, New York and California have such high violent crime rates and states which require zero training such as Vermont, New Hampshire and Alaska have such low violent crime rates?
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

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Re: NH to expand castle doctrine and approve unlicensed carry.
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 08:19:11 PM »
I believe any charge or fee involved in getting a concealed carry permit is illegal.

According to the 2nd.  Amendment, we have a RIGHT to "keep and bear arms".  Should we have to pay a "fee" (which is another term for a "tax") to exercise our RIGHTS under the 2nd. Amendment?

Our right to "keep and bear arms" is on the SAME level as our RIGHT to vote... and as I'm sure you already know, the Suspreme Court ruled that the "poll tax" wherein some States charged a "fee" or a tax called a "poll tax" in order to allow some citizens to exercise their RIGHT to vote in elections and this "fee" or tax was ruled illegal.

If a tax or fee on one's RIGHT TO VOTE is illegal, then isn't the fees and charges connected with exercising one's RIGHT obtain a concealed carry permit also illegal???  The RIGHT to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights is no less of a RIGHT than the RIGHT to vote!

However, I'm not against background checks to insure no convicted criminals or people judged mentally unstable or insane be able to obtain a CCW permit.  I also believe there should be a test of one's ability to safely handle the type of firearm they intend to carry and an additional test to determine if that applicant can shoot that firearm with reasonable accuracy at close, self-defense type ranges.

At least, that's my opinion...


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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2011, 05:59:44 AM »
The way they get around that, at least here, is that they charge for the background checks. One fee to the Sheriff's office, for the local check, and a bigger fee to whoever for the Federal check. Then there's the fee to the person teaching the course. Sooo, they aren't charging you for your permit, they are charging for everything it takes to get it. Wait, yes they do. The license Bureau charges for it and the Sheriff's Office charges to renew it.