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Offline Swampman

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Re: Hybrids and other new car designs.
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2011, 09:56:14 AM »
Cars need gasoline.  That requires light sweet crude.....
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2011, 10:04:49 AM »
No they don't REQUIRE gasoline Swampy.  Plenty of cars around the world run on diesel, some on LPG, some on electicity...  In fact the majority of the cars sold in Europe don't REQUIRE gasoline.  They run on diesel and do just fine on it.  Quiet, smooth, powerful, non-smoky and more than fast enough for the autobahn and highway speeds.


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Re: Hybrids and other new car designs.
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2011, 10:50:16 AM »
85% of Germany's vehicles run on diesel.  Most natural gas utility vehicles run on natrual gas.  Some cities use natural gas in their buses and garbage trucks.  Some cities like San Francisco run on biodiesel collected from restaurants in surrounding areas.  Lots of work being done to convert to other means without Federal help or making the national news.  Most heavy crude is made into plastics, synthetics, and asphalt.  It can be made into gasoline or even better, diesel.  We have a diesel-natural gas combo vehicle in Birmingham, an F250 diesel getting 36 mpg with the combo fuel.  We in the natural gas industry are trying to get diesel trucks to run the blend to cut down on imported oil.  Again, we also have a supply of oil, untapped, waiting on the Feds to allow drilling.   

Worse case senario, if we do start actually running out, we will make algae oil in greenhouses along the coasts and the Mississippi valley.  A boon to new algae farmers.  An area under greenhouses the size of Rhode Island can provide all the oil for fuel we need.  New Mexico is considering getting into this by building the greenhouses in their deserts along the Rio-Grande and pumping the algae oil collected east to Texas refineries.  Algae is carbon neutral taking as much carbon dioxide out of the air as put back in when it burns as fuel.  So the greenies are happy with that solution.  It will cost about $4.00 a gallon to grow, produce and add taxes.  Algae is also more efficient in oil production than corn or sugar cane is to ethynol production, like about 10 times as much per acre. 

A solution to kick starting algae oil production is to not tax any fuel made from algae, thus getting it into the $2.50 range per gallon of fuel at the pump.  Then adding a per barrel tax to offset the road tax from algae on imported oil.  If this is done, I say within 5-10 years we will have jobs created here producing our own oil and not paying for imported oil.  Right now algae diesel is the most productive, but they are trying to crossbreed and manipluate the genetics of algae to produce gasoline to eliminate refining. 

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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2011, 11:24:05 AM »
by the time we can get a pickup from 15 mpg to 30 mpg the price of gas will go from 2.50 to $5/gal.  oh, they did that already...
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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2011, 12:57:09 PM »
The only real solution is the plug in hybrid.  It's doesn't run on dreams.
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« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2011, 01:09:35 PM »
Aren't used oil wells re-filling themselves? I read something on it but it was about 5 yrs ago.

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Re: Hybrids and other new car designs.
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2011, 03:27:31 PM »
Yes, that is true, and they are sometimes putting out enough to start them pumping again.  Oil can be trapped in underground rock formations and leach back into these caverns.  The Chevy Volt is a plug in Hybrid costing $40,000.  It only averages about 40 something mpg.  The Toyota Pruis gets around 50 mpg.  A Ford Escort diesel made in Germany gets 63mpg.  A small Honda, Nissan, or Toyota can get 36+ mpg and only costs half as much.  The Volt isn't worth it.  Even Pruis isn't worth the extra $10,000 or so over a good small vehicle.  You can buy a lot of $5 a gallon gas for $10-20 thousand dollars.  I don't like my tax money paying to subsidize an expensive vehicle just to prove some point for the greenies.  Diesel vehicles cost less than hybrids but more than gasoline.  They, however can get 40-50 mpg at a lower purchase price than hybrids.  Answer is alternative fuel.  Even if all vehicles tomorrow started being hybrid large and small, it will take 20 years for them to take over.  Not going to happen.  Not until prices fall on the batteries.  That may not happen, but may be replaced with diesel flywheels.  Can get the same mileage at less purchase price.  We can convert all fleet vehicles to natural gas in less than 5 years cutting 25% of our total overall fuel from oil and/or 40% of our imported oil.  Quick, easy, and can be done now with govenment fleets and adding UPS and utility vehicles.