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Offline kiddenme

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Black Panthers
« on: April 05, 2011, 01:39:46 PM »
Hi Guys this is a first for me and would really like some input. I keep hearing reports of black panthers all around this Olean New York area. One problem, according to educational channels on tv and any research on the net they do not exist in United States period. Two peope I know really well seen them. Whats up mass histeria ?
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Re: Black Panthers
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 02:06:05 PM »
Black Panther is not a "species" but a melanistic variant of any number of large cat species (depending on the part of the world they are found).  I know virtually nothing about the wildlife in your area but if one were spotted in Texas where I am (and they have been) it would just be a Cougar.  A black one, but a Cougar nevertheless.

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Re: Black Panthers
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 02:36:24 PM »
A couple a Jaguars have een spotted along the Az boarder with Mexico.
As curtis said the black is a variation in color and you will be able to see rosettes of spots in the fur even with a black cat if it is one of the spotted variety.
There were mountain lions in NY ages ago and there are still bobcats there.  I have seen a Bobcat pretty big here in Ca about the size of a small Labrador, or that is what I thought it was at first.
If there is something in your area wondering around that is a big cat it may be excaped from a private collection.
When I lived in VA there were a couple excaped cats running around and a Kangaroo was killed and taged as a mutant deer that had excaped from a private zoo.

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Re: Black Panthers
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 02:42:46 PM »
Black Panther is not a "species" but a melanistic variant of any number of large cat species (depending on the part of the world they are found).  I know virtually nothing about the wildlife in your area but if one were spotted in Texas where I am (and they have been) it would just be a Cougar.  A black one, but a Cougar nevertheless.

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i really dont remember ever seeing a pic of a live or dead melanistic couger.or a white one for that matter.now i believe i have seen black leporards, jaguars and jagerundis.a black panther in the US would be a cougar for sure as the previous poster said. but id be curious to see a actual pic of one.now i have seen pics of large black tomcats with nothing in the pic to judge size by.these were usually found to be bogus.i dont remember seeing a pic of a black whitetail or mule deer either. allthough white ones are somewhat common.

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Re: Black Panthers
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 02:10:16 PM »
When it's all said and done and speculated on, there are endless citations that state that no totally black wild Puma concolor aberrant has ever been collected in any of its range worldwide - from far north in North America to far south in South America.   That's the only way to confirm whether these aberrations do in fact exist in this species.   An aberrant black jaguar or leopard might be possible that has escaped from somebody, but not a native cougar.   So I will rate so called black panther sightings here along the same lines as Bigfoot sightings until somebody actually captures or kills one.    Just people just seeing what they want to see, often for public notoriety (with Bigfoot anyway).

FWIW, the species Puma (Felis) concolor is now considered to have only 6 subspecies worldwide (in North, Central & South America), none of which are known to produce all black aberrants.   Over two dozen old ssp names are no longer considered valid in the world of taxonomy due to more advanced DNA methods that determined they were invalid subspecies.    But the world is slow to catch on, so many old ssp names are still referred to, including for the so called Florida Panther (was listed as ssp coyri).   Regardless, only one of those 6 ssp are found in the United States, so all lions found in this country "naturally" should be Puma concolor cougar, including those in Florida and those along our southern borders to Mexico.   Thee next closest ssp to our borders ranges naturally from Nicaragua to Panama.



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Re: Black Panthers
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 04:33:25 PM »
thats kinda what i thought.ill bet if labador retreivers were extinct. we would not be gettin so many black panther sightings

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Re: Black Panthers
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2011, 11:04:45 AM »
Thanks For all the input guys,thats the same thing I came up with on net.
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Re: Black Panthers
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 08:55:02 PM »
LAPD did a pretty good job with the SLA, sort of like Black Panthers ( sorry, couldn't resist ).
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