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New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« on: April 23, 2009, 04:28:17 PM »
Hi Guys:

Just bought my first Glock 27, .40 S&W. From the guys in the know, what is a good defensive round that hits hard and is accurate?

I piccked up (3) boxes of ammo, at different places where I could find it. Magtech First Defence 130 grain SCHP @ 1190 FPS... Buffalo Bore HP+P 155 grain JHP @ 1300 FPS and last but not least... Winchester PDX1 165 grain JHP @ 1140 FPS..

Anybody use this ammo for SD in their Glock? If not what do you recomend.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 05:27:04 PM »
Got Remington's in mine. I'd have to look at the box to be sure but 180s I think. They shoot accurately and hit to point of aim.


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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 12:58:04 PM »
Cor Bon or Hornady Tap.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 03:28:45 PM »
I have the Gold Dots in mine. I think that they are 165 grain, but need to look. A gunsmith friend of mine traded me for two cases. they shoot very well and perform as advertised. Gotta get them sighted in with my new Crimson Trace laser grips that I just installed, though. Great gun, always runs, just find what your particular handgun likes. I know that it is more expensive than ever, but at least you can depend on a Glock to run wth most ammo.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 04:11:23 PM »
REMINGTON GOLDEN SABORS (180 GRAIN) OR SPEER GOLD DOTS they both open up huge.
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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2009, 12:12:37 AM »
Lots of ammo manufacturers claim to have the newest/latest/greatest/best defensive ammo. Probably most any ammo from a major maker is as good as the other. The absolute most important thing is function. Having said that, mine is loaded with the 180 gr Golden Sabers.
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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2009, 04:59:32 PM »
Hi Guys:

Thanks for the info. I ran about 50 rounds through the 27 today. Magtech, Buffalo Bore, and Winnie Super Elites. All shot about the same, about 2 in to the left and two inch low. The Buffalo Bore seems like a hot load with a 155 JHP at 1300 FPS. I was shooting off hand at 7 yards.

I can't find Corbon anyplace in my neck of the woods. I just ordered Federal Hydra shocks to run a few boxes through.

What adjustable sites are available for the Glock? What do you recomend?

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2009, 05:30:40 PM »
Mine has the factory supplied night sights. Works fine and I see no need for any other.


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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2009, 05:53:00 PM »
I carry the 155 grain Hornady XTP in my Glock. I have a lot of confidence in Hornady products. I also like the Remington Golden Sabers either 165 or 180 grain and the 180 grain Federal Hydra Shok. 

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2009, 09:37:36 AM »
If your 27 has the factory plastic sights, then I'd replace them with a set of the Glock Meprolights and call it good. Adjustable sights on a mdl 27 wouldn't be practical for my money.
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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2009, 09:55:44 AM »
Hi Guys:

I have a set of the night sights on the 27. I guess I could drift the rear sight to the right, but it will probably still be shooting low.

I am talking about a dead on hold not a six o clock hold when I shoot. I ordered the Glock OEM adjustable sight to play around with.

If the Federal Hydra Shocks I ordered shoot point of aim I won't bother with the adjustable sight.

I still need to find a OWB clip on holster that works with the new Crimsin Trace Laser attached to the trigger guard. Any ideas?

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2009, 03:57:07 PM »
I hope by "Clip on" what you mean is a "Paddle" holster. The ones that clip on the belt with the metal clip are not secure enough for everyday carry. Paddle holsters can be quite secure. Don't wanna see you lose your roscoe! :o
Be careful when removing/replacing your rear night sight. It's quite possible to break the tritium vials and ruin the sight, especially if you don't have a sight tool. Good luck!
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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2009, 04:44:17 PM »
Hi Savage:

That was very important info. I never thought about that. Even though I probably would have my gunsmith do it. I saw the cost of a sight removal tool, cheaper to have him do it. I will only go the adjustable sight route if I can't find ammo that shoots point of aim. For $25.00 for the OEM Adjustable sight it is cheap insurance. Heck that is cheaper than 20 rounds of .40 S7W...LOL

I am replacing my S&W 3913 with the Glock 27 as my main car gun. When I am in an area that requires haevier fire power, the car gun comes out and rides along. Thus I need something I can put on and take off easily. I am familar with the paddle holsters, but there are some quality cip on's out there, you just have to find them.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 02:47:36 PM »
I run A tritium front sight and Crimson Trace laser grips on my Glock 27. Nice combo for a belly gun.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2009, 03:26:52 AM »
I run A tritium front sight and Crimson Trace laser grips on my Glock 27. Nice combo for a belly gun.

Now there's a thought! The laser grip for low light use and the adjustable for the range, (That is IF you want to use a mdl 27 as a range gun)
One other thing to consider is the durability of the Glock adjustable sight. The sights on a business pistol should be durable enough to survive rough handling and repeated belt cocking if required. I have never even seen a Glock factory adjustable sight, so I can't speak to the construction. When I buy a Glock with the standard plastic sights, the first order of business it replacement with a good set of steel sights, either tritium or plain depending on intended use.
I would also strongly suggest benching the pistol to determine if a sight adjustment is required before replacing good sights. Don't make any adjustments based on off hand shooting alone. 
The mdl 27 is an excellent choice for a defensive carry pistol. Enjoy yours!
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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 02:14:12 PM »
Remington Golden Sabers 180 HP, duty ammo for years.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2009, 04:19:01 PM »
Make sure it is the sights that are off, and not your grip of the gun, before you mess around chasing the POI with expensive adjustable sights.

I thought mine was off when I bought it.  I handed my G23 to my buddy who also had one, who proceeded to shoot out the 10-ring.  It was my grip, not the gun, and a few hundred rounds on the range fixed that.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2009, 04:00:01 AM »
 :D In my 40 s & w I use the Rem. defense load. It is 180 or 185 hollow pt.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2009, 10:39:44 AM »
Before going and buying/adjusting your sights, have someone you know that shoots very well shoot the pistol.  From what you described, it sounds (if you're a right handed shooter) that you are anticipating the shot.  Lefties will send them down and to the right.  A cheap way to find out if you are doing this is to buy yourself some dummy ammunition and load a couple into a magazine with live rounds, then shoot your pistol.  See what your sight picture looks like when the gun goes "click" instead of "bang".  I'd be willing to bet it's more of a shooting issue.  The .40 is a snappy round that will develop bad habits very well for newer shooters, as well as experienced shots. 

Also, what distance were you shooting at?  if you're getting these types of groups at 20-25 yards, I'd say check out the sights.  If you're at 5-10 yards, I'd look into your shooting fundamentals. 

Oh, and for ammunition, most any .40 cal of reputable manufacture will work.  I use a 9mm at work and we use the Gold Dot 124+p. Gold dots are good rounds, but a little more expensive due to the fact that they're bonded.  If you most likely wouldn't have to shoot through glass, I'd go with the Federal HST (not hydra shok), Remington Golden Sabre, Winchester SXT, all in 165 gr.  Don't get me wrong, Gold Dots are the bees knees in my opinion, but I'm really liking the Federal HST ammo as of late.  Stay away from anything that starts with, "XXX", skull and crossbones,  "Extreme" or "Terminator" in it's name.   Too much hype. 

Have fun with your new blaster.  It's a great weapon.  you might also want to look into an Advantage Arms .22 conversion for cheap practice.  If you do have some bad habits developing, banging more .40s downrange will not only clean out your pocket, it will continue to reinforce bad habits.  Shooting a .22 is the second best type of practice.  The first being Dry firing your (EMPTY/STERILE) pistol.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2009, 03:44:20 PM »
Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point...165 gr
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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2009, 03:25:06 PM »
Ive used Buffalo Bore before...they were pretty nice.  There are disclaimers there that warn of chambers in certain pistols with not fully supported chambers.."glock" and the use of aftermarket barrels.  Seemed to do just fine in my 27. 

Since then ive went to Double Tap ammunition.  Tests are done on glocks for this caliber.  I use 165 and 155 gr. Double Taps.  Both seem great...a bit snappy...but nothin like shootin full loads outta my M&P 340.  Kinda wanna see what Double Taps 135 gr. loadings will do.

This is what Double Tap claims from their ammunition, tho i dont own a chronograph to hold claim to it...they do seem pretty snappy tho, heh. ;D

.40 S&W 165gr Bonded Defense JHP
 
Ballistics : 165gr. @ 1240fps 563 ft/lbs from a 4.5"bbl.
Ballistics : 165gr. @ 1200fps / 528 ft/lbs- Glock 23 (4.0"bbl)
Ballistics : 165gr. @ 1140fps 476 ft/lbs from a 3.5"bbl.

.40 S&W 155gr Bonded Defense JHP

Ballistics : 155gr. @1310fps 1310fps 590 ft/lbs from a 4.5"bbl.
Ballistics : 155gr. @ 1275fps / 560 ft/lbs- Glock 23 (4.0"bbl)
Ballistics : 155gr. @ 1200fps 495 ft/lbs from a 3.5"bbl.

.40 S&W 135gr Nosler JHP 
 
Ballistics : 135gr. @ 1420fps 605 ft/lbs from a 4.5"bbl.
Ballistics : 135gr. @ 1375fps / 567 ft/lbs- Glock 23 (4.0"bbl)
Ballistics : 135gr. @ 1310fps 515 ft/lbs from a 3.5"bbl.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2009, 03:03:22 PM »


   +1 on the .22 conversion kit. They are great!

   If you plan on doing anything at all I'd spent the money on the sight adjustment tool. After you pay for it you'll always have it and you can't take your gunsmith to the range with you.
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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2009, 07:09:12 PM »
155 JHP Speer Gold Dots...

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2009, 04:23:37 PM »
I have used Hornady "defense" and they did not all go BANG!......no more Hornady ammo.

I have used Cor-Bon and they worked well in our Glocks and Sigs. I preferr the 165 grain weight bullet to the 180 grain, especially after Glocks having some problems shooting with 180 grain bullets.

I have used Speer Gold Dots and they too shoot great groups and penetrated very well, leaving a nice perfect mushroom bullet

We have also used Pow-R-Ball ammo, it's a little lighter in the bullet weight but higher in velocity. These bullets do NOT penetrate as deep in comparison to others but do FRAGG apart and really tear up the inside of wet news paper. They have a plastick insert, which makes feeding problems go away for many of those smaller semi-autos.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2011, 04:33:14 AM »
Hi:

I have to agree with Lawdog. I use Double tap ammo in .40 S&W both 165 and 155 grain. Fast, Accurate and hits hard out of my G27.

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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2011, 04:29:42 PM »
Before going and buying/adjusting your sights, have someone you know that shoots very well shoot the pistol.  From what you described, it sounds (if you're a right handed shooter) that you are anticipating the shot.  Lefties will send them down and to the right.  A cheap way to find out if you are doing this is to buy yourself some dummy ammunition and load a couple into a magazine with live rounds, then shoot your pistol.  See what your sight picture looks like when the gun goes "click" instead of "bang".  I'd be willing to bet it's more of a shooting issue.  The .40 is a snappy round that will develop bad habits very well for newer shooters, as well as experienced shots. 

Also, what distance were you shooting at?  if you're getting these types of groups at 20-25 yards, I'd say check out the sights.  If you're at 5-10 yards, I'd look into your shooting fundamentals. 

Oh, and for ammunition, most any .40 cal of reputable manufacture will work.  I use a 9mm at work and we use the Gold Dot 124+p. Gold dots are good rounds, but a little more expensive due to the fact that they're bonded.  If you most likely wouldn't have to shoot through glass, I'd go with the Federal HST (not hydra shok), Remington Golden Sabre, Winchester SXT, all in 165 gr.  Don't get me wrong, Gold Dots are the bees knees in my opinion, but I'm really liking the Federal HST ammo as of late.  Stay away from anything that starts with, "XXX", skull and crossbones,  "Extreme" or "Terminator" in it's name.   Too much hype. 

Have fun with your new blaster.  It's a great weapon.  you might also want to look into an Advantage Arms .22 conversion for cheap practice.  If you do have some bad habits developing, banging more .40s downrange will not only clean out your pocket, it will continue to reinforce bad habits.  Shooting a .22 is the second best type of practice.  The first being Dry firing your (EMPTY/STERILE) pistol.

I'll pass my soapbox off to the next person now...

Some of the best advice I have read on this site so far, I am no "expert", not ever carried a gun for a job or been in law or military, I have however been shooting "guns" for 30 odd years, and handguns for 20 years, I have shot hundereds of thousands of rounds through my IPSC guns, mainly an SVI or STI, but also alot through a G17, maybe only 15000 through the glocks ( three so far), all factory 115-130 gr ammo as I could not be bothered picking up those little 9mm cases.

The glock trigger takes some getting used to, placement of your finger in the trigger gaurd and on the trigger "shoe" will have a huge effect on where your rounds go. Most people with normal to large hands will put thier finger too far into the trigger gaurd and engage the trigger closer to the joint of the finger instead of half way along the pad. When this happens it will push the trigger to the left (for right handers) and each shot after will be the same as you cant reset your trigger finger position without releasing the trigger.

REMOVE ALL MAGS AND AMMO FROM PRACTICE AREA, DONT EVEN HAVE A MAG OR BOX OF AMMO IN THE ROOM, THIS IS NOT NEGOTIABLE, PEOPLE GET SHOT WHEN AMMO IS IN A DRY FIRE AREA.

Do some dry fire drills, from the holster to start with,.

Set up a target on a wall, across the room, dont make it too big, about the size of a the bottom of a coke can, make it dark if the wall is light.

Now this will involve a lot of dry fires, it wont hurt your Glock, have dry fired many thousands of times without issue.

Cock and holster, draw, take site and dry fire. Now before you lower your arms, release the trigger, or change your grip, have a look at where the sights are pointing, now look at what part of your finger is touching the trigger.

It should be half way along the first pad of the finger, not the tip, and not in the joint.

Repeat several times, stop and check each time.

Now do the same drill but not from the holster, this time start gun in hand(s), have your finger in the correct spot on the trigger, raise, aim and dry fire, not look at the sights, see where they are, repeat this drill, over and over, you need to develop mucsle memory of the correct technique on how to grip the gun and engage the trigger.

Cock, holster, draw, dry fire and check, do it so many times that it become automatic to get your finger in the right spot, when you tired, stop, dont practice bad habits.

Go back to it the next day and see how you go, it should not take too long for you to get it right.

Repat, repeat, repeat.

Once you can draw gun, get a proper grip and engage the target, dry fire and have the sights spot, buy some cheap ammo, or a 22rf converion, go to the range, set up a target at 8-10 years, now do it, slowly, with ammo, don't empty the mag each draw, one shot is enough, if site picture is good after the shot, fire a second to see how it goes.

The middle of the target will soon disapear, dont bother patching it out, just patch the wild ones, as you do this more and more, you will be keeping them all inside  a 1.5-2" circle.

Once you are doing this, every time, move back, if you are getting too many wild ones, stop and look at what has changed, is your grip good and finger bad, are you rushing, or just not looking at the sights? Fix the issue and move on.

Being able to keep your shots inside a neat little group at 25 yards is a really good confidence booster, you know when you fire, where your shot is going. This is important.

Now set up targets at different ranges, and at different heights etc, do the same drills, move between fire positions, remembering to remove the finger from the trigger until just before you shoot, after you have shot a few thousand round with the above in mind, your mag changes will be instinct, your draw will be the same every time, grip also the same, every time. You will hit what you aim at, which is the whole idea of shooting.

As I have said, I am not an expert, I shoot IPSC, have for 15 years, I shoot at Master grade and have finished inside the top 8 at several National Championships, I have won state titles and dozen of regional matches, I know what I know from being tought by guys who can out shoot me most days. Take from the above what you will. My shooting was all for competition and fun.

Spend money on ammo and range time, but dont waste it by shooting at dirt clods and cans, you carry a G23 for self defence, what I would consider the most important competition of all.

Best of luck, enjoy and stay safe.


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Re: New Glock Mod 27 .40 S&W What defensive ammo you suggest.
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2011, 04:52:18 PM »
Oh, forgot, hop on youtube, look up Todd Jarret, a comp shooter, been doing it for years and has won every comp you can win.

He has some great video's on all different types of handgun shooting.

I also bought a set of DVD's from Brownells, 10 in the series, Jerry Barnhart doing them, started with draw, sight allignment, right up to running between and moving targets, not cheap, but very worthwhile.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=todd+jarrett+shooting+tips&aq=0&oq=todd+jarrett+sh

a quik link to some of Todds videos.