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NY triggers?
« on: June 01, 2011, 07:42:59 AM »
What is the thought behind these items?

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2011, 08:14:24 AM »
less accidental discharges .
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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2011, 12:14:10 PM »
Anyone have experience with either of these triggers?  My stock trigger is pretty light.

After sitting in my safe most of the time for a couple years,the Glock bug  has bitten me pretty good.


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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2011, 12:42:28 PM »
I have tried Glocks with the "NY Trigger", and did not like them.  Too much of a good thing, so to speak.  To me, the regular Glock trigger is about perfect for its intended purpose - combat.  A nice, crisp 2 lbs. pull on a 1911 is great for the range, but increases the risk of accidental discharge under stressful conditions.  It is the reason most PD's have gone to Glock type triggers, or D/A only guns over the years.

Yep, if you keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot, its not an issue.  But, that does not always happen.  Unfortunately, a lot of cops, and private citizens as well, are not as practiced and familiar as they should be with their weapons.  Same reason most PD's taught D/A shooting only back in the day when revolvers were dominate.  Now get out and shoot that Glock, its an excellent defensive weapon, and the standard trigger pull is easily mastered with a little range time.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 01:08:10 PM »
They brought one of those when we were swapping pistols out. For me it was horrible. They put a scale on it and it was 14#. I shot a beach ball sized group and a low 70s score doing the standard qualify 25 yard max. Not to brag, just for comparison, softball size and baseball size groups with 5.5 and 3.5#. Personally I hate the feel of revolvers in da, and that is pretty well what it felt like.

Another option may be an 8# connector. If that isn't enough you could put in a wolf extra power firing pin spring and raise it to 9#.
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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2011, 02:31:10 PM »
It may be the law in NY, but it's a pain in the finger everywhere else!!!!!!!!!!  ::)

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2011, 03:14:00 PM »
The 8lb NY trigger return spring + the 3.5 connector gives a revolver type pull.  I starts out firmer and the reset is slightly stronger.  Total pull weight is only ~1.5lbs more than stock and you don't have to worry about trigger return spring breakage.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 06:33:42 PM »
I have a NY spring in a Model 27 and like it fine. This pistol is not used for target shooting just consealed carry.

I have a Model 21 with a standard spring for targets and hunting.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2011, 08:07:13 PM »
For the heck of it ,i added both trigger springs to my Midway order for under 10 bucks. I won't be out much.

I am an old wheel gunner and I enjoy my SP101 shooting DA so maybe my viewpoint is a little skewed.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 05:05:27 AM »
gs50401,
    I also bought both springs but decided on the heaver one. This pistol is only intended for some kind of emergency, not for games and I just feel better with this set up. If ever [hopefully never] I am in a bad situation and very excited I feel that the extra resistance of this spring could help prevent an accidental discharge at least for me.

  Back in the early 1960s I worked on the pistol range at Parris Island as an instructor training recruits. I handled and fired Colt 1911s 5 days a week for 2 years and during this time I thought that that the 1911 was the only way to go. But as the years passed I did a lot of thinking about "what if" and came to the conclusion that the NY triggered Glock is a safer way to go in a true emergency at least for me.

And yes I still have 2 1911s, a Colt and a Kimber and still can shoot them very well. But for concealed carry my NY triggered Glock gets the nod.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2011, 09:58:23 AM »
Anyone have experience with either of these triggers?  My stock trigger is pretty light.

After sitting in my safe most of the time for a couple years,the Glock bug  has bitten me pretty good.

Yep had several and changed them to lighter ones.
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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 04:04:24 AM »
NY (or Miami) triggers started out as expedient triggers designed at the request of the Miami Police Department, and the New York State Police.  The original thinking was to avoid accidental discharges during an agency's transition from previously issued revolvers with their genuine double-action pull to Glock pistols with their pretensioned striker-fired actions. 

You may remember the rash of  ND/AD's that occurred among the nation's police departments during Glock's first decade in public service.  Literally hundreds of police officers managed to either shoot themselves or a comrade.  The NY/Miami trigger was Glock's (demanded) solution to this problem. 

While Glock's, so-called, 'Safe-Action' trigger remains under constant pretension, the addition of an NY trigger spring provides a reasonable facsimile of an authentic double-action trigger pull.  As things have turned out, many people (I'm not one of them.) prefer a Glock with an NY trigger installed.  Massad Ayoob is, definitely among them.  Apparently, any shooter who, either, prefers or is more accustomed to using a double-action trigger will like using Glock's NY trigger spring. 

The point has already been made that fewer ND's or other handling mistakes occur when police pistols are strictly double-action, or single-action, but NOT both.  It is, however, emphatically untrue that, 'As long as you keep your finger off a Glock's trigger you are safe from an  accidental discharge.  I WISH this were the case; but it is not.  In the 8 years that I've been carrying a Glock, I've met plenty of other shooters who've, one way or another, screwed up with Glock's so-called, 'Safe Action' trigger. 

During my own 50 + years of pistol shooting experience I've never found an acceptable alternative to the additional conscious step of pushing off a pistol's manually-applied user safety BEFORE firing.  In everyday life the practicality of this concept becomes muddle, though.  This is because with a true double-action revolver the straightforward 8 to 12 pound trigger pull is an acceptable alternative to the manually-applied safety on a semiautomatic pistol. 

The confusion comes from the fact that double-action pistols are not operated by a pretensioned trigger mechanism; BUT, Glock pistols (and a few others) are.  A pretensioned striker DOES make a significant difference in the inherent safety of a pistol.  With a pretensioned striker, a pistol might, very well, seem to be, 'going off too easily'. 

Now, is an NY/Miami trigger spring setup the answer to Glock's handling problems?  No, not in my experience.  This trigger mechanism remains popular, today, simply because there's a body of pistol shooters who prefer them.  (I guess you know that Glock's NY trigger springs come in two different spring strengths:  8 and 11 pounds.  8 pound trigger springs are the most common.) 

8 pound NY trigger springs are often paired with 4.5# connectors in order to produce overall trigger pull weights of 5.5 to 6.5 pounds.  (The feeling of using a genuine double-action trigger is there; but so is Glock's usual pretensioned trigger pull.) 

Now, quite honestly, I've never heard anyone who is genuinely familiar with a Glock refer to the trigger pull as, 'too light'.  In the real world that just doesn't happen.  Perhaps what you're referring to is that a Glock's standard pretensioned striker tends to fire too suddenly?  If this is the situation, the solution is simple:  Practice more and become more familiar with your pistol's trigger mechanism. 
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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 02:44:22 PM »
I put the NY1 trigger in my 23. I have to get to the range soon. It doesn't feel too bad.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2011, 03:08:01 PM »
I used the 3.5# connector - NY-1 combo for about a year in a G-34. I thought it was great for IDPA. It gives a short, heavy, almost DA type trigger pull.
The break point is harder to feel, which can be good or bad. Trigger reset is very firm and crisp so shooting from the reset is easy. (instead of letting the trigger all the way forward after each shot)
For slow fire target shooting it's not the best.
If you feel the trigger is too light, you could install an extra power striker spring to add a pound or two without altering the basic feel of the trigger like the NY trigger spring does. European Glocks use a heavy striker spring for ammo with harder primers, so it's nothing unusual.

With the NY installed, you have to hold the trigger back to field strip.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2011, 01:00:41 PM »
The NY1 trigger is a bit heavier at the range. It really shows any gripping or trigger finger errors. 
Until I was somewhat used to it , my groups were off to the left.  The NY2 might be too much.

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2011, 06:12:30 PM »
It was to reduce the number of accidental discharges, during "tense" situations where the adrenalin was really pumping.

FWIW the Trigger pull weights are listed below:

Standard Glock Trigger Pull weight - approx. 5 lbs.
NY1 (used by NY State Police & most LE agencies) Trigger Pull weight - approx. 8 lbs.
NY2 (used by the NYPD (city) Trigger Pull weight  - approx. 12 lbs.


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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2011, 07:35:45 PM »
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NY2 (used by the NYPD (city) Trigger Pull weight  - approx. 12 lbs.

No wonder they miss so much. (seriously)

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Re: NY triggers?
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2011, 06:07:55 PM »
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NY2 (used by the NYPD (city) Trigger Pull weight  - approx. 12 lbs.

No wonder they miss so much. (seriously)
They miss so much, because most city cops don't go to the range except for their twice yearly qualification.  There are exceptions of course, but that is the norm, and when they do have to qualify, most barely qualify.  Shooting is a perishable skill, you don't use it, you lose it.  But I don't have to tell you that.
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