Author Topic: Fla bill would ban drs from asking about guns. (Read 1033 times)

powderman · « **on:** May 11, 2011, 09:08:39 AM »

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/10/florida-outlaws-asking-patients-guns-awaits-governors-signature/

Evidently drs there think guns should not be allowed. None of their business. POWDERMAN.

lakota · « **Reply #1 on:** May 11, 2011, 09:38:32 AM »

Cant say that I have ever been asked about guns by a doctor, but if one ever does ask my answer will be "Not your concern" as I walk out of his office on my way to finding a new doctor.

powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** May 11, 2011, 10:13:36 AM »

When clinton was pres my wife filled out a form at the health dept and one of the questions was, are there any guns in your house?? She wrote, none of your business. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2011, 10:17:52 AM »

My Dr. ask me about guns , he couldn't decide on a revolver or auto

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2011, 01:28:29 PM »

I've had the pre appt questionairs that had that inquiry as well as others that have nothing to do with medical care. I usually just line them out heavily. If asked I respond with none of your business. I do add if you hunt, shoot or collect, we could talk about it. I have taken Drs venison before who wanted to try it.

oldandslow · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:05:12 PM »

I've never encountered that question when seeing a doctor. I doubt that I will. I only go to three doctors, family guy, bone guy, and skin guy and they all hunt and fish. If I happen to be in before bird season they want to know if I've seen any dove or quail and where they were.

If I'm ever asked that question I'll just politely point out that it doesn't pertain to why I'm there to see them and let it go at that. If they get insistant I'll just thank them for their time and leave.

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:16:18 PM »

Hospitols are getting terrible about asking question that have nothing to do with their medical care. My wife had tests done last winter on 2 or 3 occasions and the grilling was ridiculous. Second trip they started in again on the same crap, same questions. I said, we did this 5 days ago, they said well we have to do it again because it's not in the records, i said, no we don't, we are not going through this crap again. Look in your computer, you already have all of this and get it there, now leave my wife alone, they looked, they did. POWDERMAN.

Sourdough · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2011, 04:56:16 PM »

I go to the VA clinic. A couple of years ago I was asked by a nurse, if there was guns present in my house. I told them that was non of their business. Later I was discussing it with the guy that runs the front desk. He got upset and called the nurse. Seems there was a big dispute after I left. Have never been asked since.

Shu · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2011, 03:01:45 AM »

My doctor asked about guns, what did I think of the 35 whelen vs 358 winchester debate. I said both are are excellent cartridges. He agreed.

Another asked if I owned guns, told him I would answer after the cortizone shot in my hip. For the first time that shot didn't hurt. I guess he had his answer.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2011, 03:25:26 AM »

My dentist offered to let me use his S&W .44mag once. Never been asked the question.
GuzziJohn

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2011, 06:50:44 AM »

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Re: Fla bill would ban drs from asking about guns.

At first blush, that just sounds plain weird. A law prohibiting someone - anyone? - from asking a question? Doesn't seem like a good idea. One could always make a choice - answer the question, don't answer, ask him why he wants to know. Maybe the doc wants to go hunting; a good number do.

Legislature needs to take a break.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2011, 07:23:52 AM »

Besides the gun question, I have seen forms with "are you depressed", "do you ever cry", "are you angry", and other nonsensical questions. With some Drs associations belonging to anti 2nd A groups I can only imagine the answers to these questions receiving some twisted freudian response.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2011, 07:44:42 AM »

I'd rather talk about guns than a rash, any day...

dukkillr · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2011, 07:45:44 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on May 12, 2011, 06:50:44 AM

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Re: Fla bill would ban drs from asking about guns.

At first blush, that just sounds plain weird. A law prohibiting someone - anyone? - from asking a question? Doesn't seem like a good idea. One could always make a choice - answer the question, don't answer, ask him why he wants to know. Maybe the doc wants to go hunting; a good number do.

Legislature needs to take a break.

No, see you don't get it. Keeping the government out of our lives and making less laws only applies when it's something we don't like. That is the way of the modern, "Conservative". "Keep those damn social programs out of our government... just as long as I can cash my govt. check this week..."

But see, people can't be expected to handle it the way so many posters above have (I've never had this question asked.) so we need a law. God forbid we should be responsible on our own... WE NEED A LAW!

lakota · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:31:43 AM »

And the problem with the "modern liberal" is that if there is not a specific law spelling out in very plain language exactly what they can and cant do they will twist words and use it as justification to do what they want. Using sharia as an example if there is no law that plainly says sharia is illegal in this country its only a matter of time before some liberal says that we should use it.

What business is it of a doctor if I own guns or not? And be careful how you answer those mental health questions too. Answer one the wrong way and you may find yourself on a 72 hour hold at a "mental health" facility and you can say bye-bye to your right to keep and bear arms.

MGMorden · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:53:16 AM »

Quote from: lakota on May 12, 2011, 10:31:43 AM

Using sharia as an example if there is no law that plainly says sharia is illegal in this country its only a matter of time before some liberal says that we should use it.

The 1st amendment of the Bill of Rights already makes all religiously based legislation illegal. That encompasses sharia law as well, making it unable to be passed. It also encompasses laws specifically dealing with Sharia law - because that law itself is a law dealing with religion.

It's like 2 kids in the backseat where the dad tells them both to shutup and be quiet. If kid #1 starts yammering again then kid #2 doesn't get to start yelling at him about how dad told them to be quiet. He told them BOTH to be quiet. That means no talking, even if the talking is telling the other not to talk. Kid #2 needs to sit back and let dad handle it, lest he break the rules as well.

The same applies to the laws against sharia. The same law that makes those laws unconstitutional also renders them completely redundant. Sharia is already illegal.

As to the topic about Drs and guns, I'd say a better solution would be to as several have suggested, vote with your wallet. If they ask a (non-friendly) question about guns, simply go elsewhere and patronize a different doctor.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:56:25 AM »

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Answer one the wrong way and you may find yourself on a 72 hour hold at a "mental health" facility

Only if it can be determined that you are currently an immediate dangerous threat to yourself or others, otherwise you would probably be making yourself and some lawyer rich.
GuzziJohn

lakota · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:11:10 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on May 12, 2011, 10:56:25 AM

Quote from lakota:
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Answer one the wrong way and you may find yourself on a 72 hour hold at a "mental health" facility

Only if it can be determined that you are currently an immediate dangerous threat to yourself or others, otherwise you would probably be making yourself and some lawyer rich.
GuzziJohn

I work EMS. I have to be vaugue here I have seen a lot of rational people say stupid things in the heat of the moment. On person was arguing with their significant other. person A says "i'm going to kill myself" person B calls 911 and out comes EMS and a tac team. Person A does not resist and is quite cooperative. Person A is placed in protective custody and gets to ride with me in the disco truck to the ER to be medically cleared for transfer to a mental health facility. Person A tells me on the way to the hospital that they just said they were going to kill themself to hurt person B's feelings and there was never any intention or danger of person A actually of doing it. Too late the genie is out of the bottle. Dont know if person A enjoyed the right to keep and bear arms but I am sure that it has been forfeited due to saying something stupid in a moment of anger.

dukkillr · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:38:18 AM »

Quote from: lakota on May 12, 2011, 10:31:43 AM

And the problem with the "modern liberal" is that if there is not a specific law spelling out in very plain language exactly what they can and cant do they will twist words and use it as justification to do what they want. Using sharia as an example if there is no law that plainly says sharia is illegal in this country its only a matter of time before some liberal says that we should use it.

What business is it of a doctor if I own guns or not? And be careful how you answer those mental health questions too. Answer one the wrong way and you may find yourself on a 72 hour hold at a "mental health" facility and you can say bye-bye to your right to keep and bear arms.

But the point is that you should be able to do just about anything in a free country. A doctor who opens his own practice should be able to ask anything he wants... as his customers (patients) should be able to stay or leave depending on their comfort with him.

This is what Ron Paul was talking about when he was somewhat misquoted as being against the civil rights movement. It wasn't that he thought racism was good, its that he thought people should be free to resolve their problems independantly in a capitalist society. I believe he was quoted as saying something to the effect of, "It reduced individual liberty". If Dr. X reads you the riot act for having a gun, go to Dr. Y. If clothing store X won't sell to blacks, they will buy from clothing story Y.

One need not ride through life on training wheels...

lakota · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:45:00 AM »

I can see your point but doctors really have no business collecting data on gunowners. The fact the the patient may own x number of guns doesnt affect the delivery of health care.

My question to a doctor who was asking about guns would be why are you compliling this data and what do you intend to do with it.

dukkillr · « **Reply #20 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:57:00 AM »

Quote from: lakota on May 12, 2011, 11:45:00 AM

I can see your point but doctors really have no business collecting data on gunowners. The fact the the patient may own x number of guns doesnt affect the delivery of health care.

My question to a doctor who was asking about guns would be why are you compliling this data and what do you intend to do with it.

And I agree. I'm sick of politicians making laws with the idea of pandering to an ideological base. I'm sick of the mind-numbing but sadly predictable result from that base. I'm sick of their being a law about everything. I'm sick of government being involved in every single freaking thing you do...

I'm not just asking the government to quit pushing liberal ideas. I'm asking the government to quit pushing any ideas. Build a few roads, keep a defensive army, maybe come up with some way to protect the border... But otherwise leave me alone. Don't tell me, or anyone else what to say (or not say). I'm relatively confident I can handle it. Indeed I think that's what being a free individual is supposed to be about...

lakota · « **Reply #21 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:59:57 AM »

Dont get me wrong=I detest law after law after law but sometimes I feel like if things arent spelled out clearly then politicians sell us out and we get unconstitutional B.S. ranging from our new healthcare law to my township trustess telling me that I have to pay and use the garbage company they pick for my trash pickup

lakota · « **Reply #22 on:** May 12, 2011, 12:07:07 PM »

Quote from: dukkillr on May 12, 2011, 11:57:00 AM

Build a few roads, keep a defensive army, maybe come up with some way to protect the border... But otherwise leave me alone. Don't tell me, or anyone else what to say (or not say). I'm relatively confident I can handle it. Indeed I think that's what being a free individual is supposed to be about...

I agree 100% with this statement. Isnt this the very definition of what our federal government is supposed to be doing? The only things they should be doing?