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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2012, 06:43:21 AM »
How new a vehicle is it?
 
present day vehicles have onboard systems that constantly cycle on and off during the day causing a drain on the battery, after sitting for 7-9 days the battery may be too week to start the engine, the way the Chevorlet Tec stated that its best to run the vehicle every day, a minumum of once a week to keep the battery charged, its a design flaw of ereally new vehicles.
 
Ford Alternators (externally regulated) are exactly whats mounted on allot of small aircraft, As I remember with them battery abuse  or a old bad battery, causes a undue strain on alternator, also bad cable/wire connections, a momentary short to ground on the field wire will mess up the voltage regulator, most times it kills the Voltage regulator, sometines it burns out one the diodes on the bridge, after 4 alternators one can pretty much guess its not the alternators fault, its somewhere on the chassis,
check the ground strap that is directly connected to the engine from the frame, otherwise its grounding through cables/linkages and wire shielding in order to supply ground for the alternator.
 
I'd once seen the throttle cable on a Cessna seize/ weld it self because of a mechanic failing to reconnect the ground strap to the motor mount, as the alternator was traying to get ground any way it could.
 
Corroded Ground connections
 
A quick way to find out if your alternator Field is working is turn on the ignition switch (dont start the engine) this will energize the alternators field which is a electro magnet so the alternator drive pulley will be magentized (field is working) a hand wrench (other steel item) should be drawn to the magnetized pulley.
A bad field circuit to the alternator, the drive pulley wont be magnetized, no field is mainly a regulator failure issue not a alternator issue.

Is your drive belt tensioned correctly? you shouldent be able to slip the pulley with the belt tensioned, if you can grab the pulley by hand and get it to slip even a little bit, The drive belt is not tensioned correctly.

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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2012, 07:24:24 AM »
First you might check if there is a cross ref. for that model. Often there are heavier duty items for tow options or extra lighting etc. maybe you got a light weight replacement . Also you might have your elec. system checked maybe a bad battry is involve or one under  or over  sized . Maybe some componet is going bad and causing more strain on the system. We have had trucks with problems that caused alt failure , battry blow up and computer failure and in 2 cases computer not working proper .
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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2012, 07:14:20 PM »
36 amps at idle? was the battery still discharged? thats a of amps at idle. I'm betting the unit is generating more heat than it can handle. bad connections are most likely. they are a lot of work to chase down and not fun. remember the alternator case needs to be grounded to the block. you can use a volt meter to check for voltage drops across conections. any connection showing more than .1 volt is not good. one other slight possibility, pully size, is the alternator running at the right rpm? also have your battery checked for a shorted cell. if the alternator is charging all the time it will burn out in short order.

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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2012, 04:56:18 AM »
chased it through the fuse box and back through the various ground straps, found nothing.  Took it to the shop batt tested fine, but has an off drain that is excessive
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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2012, 12:19:17 AM »
All of our trucks if not used go dead in a few weeks . GPS and other onboard electrics drain it.
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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2012, 04:56:01 AM »
drain intermittent at 4x normal level.  Light control module with delay off timer is the suspected culprit
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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2012, 06:38:39 PM »
bad news, van is reported to be un-repairable by generator shop as well as local dealer.  No one said not worth it, both said not repairable, symptoms recorded and chased, no problem could be located.
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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2012, 11:23:38 PM »
That sure sounds like BS to me but I'm not the one that's working on it.  If they can't find anything wrong, how can it be a total loss?

I found a 1950's Studebaker brochure in my late brother's things and it sure makes me yearn for simpler cars.  My 78 Ford is pretty simple but not as solid as American iron from the 1950s...

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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2012, 05:17:20 AM »
I'm with ya Tony, I sure miss my '74 International.



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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2012, 10:23:07 AM »
I had a 4WD 1970 International Sout II, with the V8 engine.  Trust me, you would not miss it.  You would miss oil leaks and blown gaskets, rear end problems, and a host of other issues.  Sold it to a fellow and saw the car at an intersection about a year later.  Rolled down my window and asked him if he had any trouble since purchasing it.  Said, not a bit.  I guess I replaced the entire car.

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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2012, 05:23:29 PM »
That's not good to hear Keith. Maybe it's time to sale it and look for something else for her. I did a quick search the other night and all kinds of issues with windstar electrical but a host of different thing. Not really a pattern besides a lot of them had a bad computer making the vehicle do crazy things like windshield wipers going nuts or just cutting out at highway speed then starting back up when they get it stopped.
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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2012, 06:46:12 PM »
Charles p, my 74 was one of the three best trucks I have ever owned.  I just could not fine parts for it (distributor, plug wires, etc)  Rear end was solid, no oil leaks, only rust. I had the big 345 cid V8 with auto tranny and granny gears, so with todays gas prices I'd be cussing the pumps more than I do now. (For the record the other two are a 94 F150, and a 2003 Ranger (current truck)
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Re: alternator swap questions
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2012, 06:48:49 PM »
That's not good to hear Keith. Maybe it's time to sale it and look for something else for her. I did a quick search the other night and all kinds of issues with windstar electrical but a host of different thing. Not really a pattern besides a lot of them had a bad computer making the vehicle do crazy things like windshield wipers going nuts or just cutting out at highway speed then starting back up when they get it stopped.


yup starting down that road, tomorrow if the test drive goes well we will be jacking up the VIN number up and driving a new van under it.  (Toyota Sienna, made in Princeton, IN)

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