200 Yard Muzzleloader

[tbodily]

I need help getting my remington 700ml to be consisant at 200 yards maybe more.  Does anyone have any suggestion as far as primers, powders, and bullets to acheive this.  Thanks.

[possume]

where is swampman he's the man with 10,000 post and loves the remington loaders good luck to ya on the 200 yard shots

[tbodily]

yeah where are you swampman

[mechanic]

IMO if you're shooting saboted bullets, they are gonna' be a mite short for long range stability.  You might want to work up a load with a heavy conical.  A minie ball type with hollow base would probably be more stable for long range work, but then there are a lot of "store boughts" I haven't tried.

With my 54 cal. I shoot powerbelts with good success over 100 gr. powder.  I use the ones with the lead nose, and the heaviest weight available....

Ben

[AndyHass]

IMO if you're shooting saboted bullets, they are gonna' be a mite short for long range stability.

This is not true at all.  I do most of my shooting with MLs at 300-400 yds and have shot as far as 500 yds with no issues, saboted only.  200 yds is no issue, I've done that even with 240gr hollowpoints.

The best choices I would recommend are the 200SST/SW if you like low recoil, 325 FTX (.458) if you want to hit harder with a similar trajectory.  These two have flatter trajectories than most other bullets out there.  You will just have to play with the powder volume until you find what is best for your gun, there is no shortcut for that.  In MY guns, all T/Cs, the 200SST/SW shoots best around 110gr 777 and the FTX at max (135gr 777).  Other peoples' guns I know of differ significantly.  I use a 25ACP primer conversion plug so I can't help you with 209 primers.  For me, going to the ACP did a lot of good for my accuracy.

[tbodily]

Thanks for the help.  Is there a conversion kit for the 25acp available?  Am I better off using loose powder or pellets?

[sabotloader]

Thanks for the help.  Is there a conversion kit for the 25acp available?  Am I better off using loose powder or pellets?

Not really for your Remington.  The Remington is a plunger gun even though it has a bolt is really a plunger.

There is a very good, actually a couple good 209 conversion available for it.

http://muzzleloadingbullets.com/remington_700ML_209_conversion_kit.html

http://dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=4618

For me loose powder will always be preferred over any pellets...

[longcaribiner]

Sabot bullets aren't necessarily too short.  The bullet needs to be approximately twice as long as wide, preferrably longer.  many of the super duper improved fancy high dollar bullets sold for in-lines are simply too short for long range stability.   I've shot out to 500 meters with a muzzleloader.  But the consistent results dropped past 300 meters.  I was using a 45 caliber gun with a soft lead bullet that was 1.6 inches long and weighed 410 grains.       

[chefjeff]

I still have a stainless remington.209 converted. I shoot 100 gr. pyrodex (loose) with an all lead 260 gr. knight bullet and sabot. Actually is more accurate with a little less powder. I can't stress enough that you must take apart the bolt for regular cleaning,as blowback will cause it to corrode internally until it FTF. I suspect that is why they stopped making it. Still, if I couldn't tote a smokeless Savage, the backup 700 would be my next choice.

[johnnyb]

Gunwerks has come with a muzzle loader/ scope package that shoots MOA at 500 plus yards, of course they want over $7000.00 for it.
But they do have a great show and web site     
http://www.gunwerks.com/Shooting-Systems/LRM-500-Muzzle-Loader-Long-Range-System.aspx

Johnny

[Buckskin]

IMO if you're shooting saboted bullets, they are gonna' be a mite short for long range stability.  You might want to work up a load with a heavy conical. A minie ball type with hollow base would probably be more stable for long range work.

 Ben

Ahhh I must disagree with this one...  There is no way a minnie ball is going to be more accurate at long distance than a ballistic tipped sabot.  Now you obviously need to find one that your gun likes.
I shoot the Barnes Expanders TMZ in 290gr in my Encore, backed by 130gr of Blackhorn 209.  300 yards inside a grapefruit is the norm.

Do not waste your money with the 25 ACP conversion kit, I have one and it did help with the 777, but the BH 209 is a so much superior powder that I will never go back to the crud ring!  I have 3 lbs of 777 that will be used as fertilizer or something, but it will never again go down my pipe.

[Buckskins & Black Powder]

Gunwerks has come with a muzzle loader/ scope package that shoots MOA at 500 plus yards, of course they want over $7000.00 for it.
But they do have a great show and web site     
http://www.gunwerks.com/Shooting-Systems/LRM-500-Muzzle-Loader-Long-Range-System.aspx

Johnny

At that price i'd buy TWO!

[Swampman]

80-90 grains of 3f Goex or Pyrodex with a 240-250 grain sabot projectile will be awesome at 200 yards.

Those I've owned in the past grouped best with #11 caps.

Cleaning the bolt is no big deal.