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Construction methods for the towers
« on: June 21, 2011, 09:10:20 AM »
The complete collapse of the Twin Towers has more to do with the construction than anything else. Yes, it was the loss of fireproofing and subsequent fires that collapsed the building but if it were not for the construction, a total collapse may not have occurred. Ironically, the construction also saved many lives by letting the towers stand as long as they did. These pages explain the construction and provide evidence for collapse by fire.

"Tube in a Tube"

The designers coined the term "Tube in a Tube" to describe the buildings’ construction. The design was an innovation of its day. Thick steel columns ran up the middle of the building. This housed the elevators, stairwell, electrical conduits, water, sewer  and other services which ran up and down the length of the buildings.

For you to understand the collapse, you will have to remember four main elements.

Core columns
Perimeter columns
Floor Trusses
Fire proofing
The columns of the building normally found evenly spaced out on a given floor became the outer wall of the building. This left large open areas for renting. A good explanation of this can be found on PBS.

Instead of encasing each column in heavy concrete, (normal fire proofing) the designers relied on 'sprayed on' fire proofing with a 2 hour rating to protect the load bearing columns and trusses from fire.

Each WTC tower was essentially bolted together like an erector set. Each average floor had 376 5/8" bolts, 188 Truss seats, 120 ViscoElastic pieces and 120 gusset plates.

Below is a diagram of the truss system with connections.

 

Trusses connected Perimeter columns to the core. Without this connection neither one could stand alone. Note how the columns are constructed in threes known as column trees. Each column is bolted onto the column beneath and to the tree beside it.



There was a 3 to 4 inch layer of concrete on the average floor. There were reinforced concrete floors in the core as well. Contrary to what some conspiracy theorists say, the core walls were NOT concrete reinforced. The columns in the core were also not incased in concrete. This was an error made by the BBC which grew a life of its own. Here is the article. Note the date it was created, Sept. 13, 2001, just 2 das after the collapse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540044.stm

More evidence of no concrete protecting the columns.

http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/2001-0911_WTC/2002-0500_LA-Firefighter_WTC-BuildingCollapse_Dunn.htm



Here is a photo of the core sub levels during construction. You can see just how deep below ground level the buildings went. You can also see no concrete around the core or columns anywhere.



This type of construction makes a very open floor plan.

The fire proofing was sprayed on after the steel went up. This is called "Passive" fire proofing.





 

There is a big difference between this type of construction and others like the Landmark Towers in Fort Worth, Texas, which is often used as a comparison by conspiracy theorists.



There are large I-Beam columns encased in concrete. Large I-Beams also hold up the floors. The photo below was taken during preparations to demolish the building.



Note the vertical column above still has some concrete around it. If the towers had concrete around the columns, you would have seen columns with damaged concrete around them similar to this.

The Windsor Tower in Madrid is similarly built but with a concrete reinforced core added.

Now you have the general idea of the differences in construction between the towers and other high rise buildings. So why did it collapse the way it did?

A major factor was the fire proofing on the impact floors. The impact blew off the fire proofing as in the above PBS special.

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Re: Construction methods for the towers
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 12:59:57 PM »
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What was the size and spec of the 47 inner core columns..?

What was the duration of the kerozene fires...?

What was the maximun temp obtained by the kero fires...?

Where did the 47 member monolithic inner core go...?


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Why do you not address the facts presented as they apply to the conspiracy theories?

Is it because kinslayer1965 is doing such a nice job of addressing one by one many of the arguments of the so-called "truthers"?

If you are interested in the truth as you so often claim, why are you ignoring presented facts and/or theories and just trying to pretend they aren't there?

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Re: Construction methods for the towers
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 05:43:41 AM »
Looks like kinslayer is doing a pretty good job of answering many of the "truthers" questions, but you just ignore what is presented and throw out more "questions".  Why are you afraid of addressing his info?
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Re: Construction methods for the towers
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 06:11:28 AM »
Why would a building be allowed to be built with out effort to insure it fell into it self if the structure failed ? would it be better to fall to one side or another striking and knocking over other buildings like bowling pins falling over ?
How hot was the fire ? who knows ? how hot were the beams to start ? It takes 1 BTU to raise 1 lb of water 1 degree at 39 degrees F. There are about 140000 btu's in a gal of oil . How many gal's were on board ? How far were the failed beams from the flame ? was wind adding oxygen at a faster rate causing a hotter flame ? How suceptable are beams and cols to heat ? We are not allowed to use a torch on one because it will weaken them if only a small hole is cut . These days rebar can't be cut with a torch on many jobs for the same reason.
I don't pretend to know why the buildings fell as they did but it makes sense that they went down as they did if they had to fall.
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Re: Construction methods for the towers
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 08:47:02 AM »
In Richmond most fires in big buildings are 5 alarm in an effort to put it out fast . One building had a 5 alarm call fo a waste paper basket fire , no structal damage there either.
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Re: Construction methods for the towers
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 05:53:38 PM »
Why the cut and paste? No personal exerience?
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Re: Construction methods for the towers
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 01:54:01 AM »
Why the cut and paste? No personal exerience?
Really ,
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