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Ouch! End of the Thumb gone.
« on: July 10, 2011, 07:43:42 AM »
Got up early this morning and went to the range while the sun was still in the Northern portion of the sky.  At the Range you face east.  Some guy came along, and you could tell he had not been there before, and was lost.  I walked over and explained how things worked, as for going down range and setting up targets.  He had no targets, nothing but an old auto loading pistol and some ammo.  The pistol looked like an old H&R autoloader in .32 ACP.  The guy did not have a clue as to how to load it, or do anything with it.  He handed it to me asking how to open it to load.  Closer examination, it was a J.C.Higgins.  The guy told me his father had passed and he had gotten the pistol from the estate. 

I removed the magazine and at that point he wanted it back.  It was plain he wanted no other advice or information from me.  So I went back to my bench and settled down to shot my 25-06 Handi.  I looked over in that direction a few times but he was muddeling through.  Just as I was settling down for a shot I heard a BANG followed by a scream.  Then I saw the pistol flying out in front of the yellow line towards the ground.  When the pistol hit the ground it went off again.  I dove for the ground.  This guy was huffing and puffing, and holding his hands between his legs.  Then he started swearing, and yelling his head off.  I realized the pistol was inert, and all firing had stopped.  I went out and picked it up the pistol.  It had not picked up the next round properly and was jammed.  Something was stuck in the slide.  I removed the magazine and ejected the stuck round.  Noticed blood and what looked like skin in the back of the slide.  I put the pistol in my hip pocket and went to see what all the cussing was about.

The guy was asking if anybody had a handkerchief, or a first aid kit with bandages.  I walked over and told him I had a first aid kit in my truck, and for him to follow me.  When we got to my truck I opened the First Aid kit and put on a clean pair of plastic gloves.  I got out some wipes to clean off the blood to see what had happened.  It took a bit of coaxing for him to give me his hand so I could clean it, and see how bad it was.  As I cleaned off the end of his thumb I realized the hard object I was wiping was the bone.  All the soft tissue was gone.  From just above the joint, everything but the bone gone.  The bone had some real bad cuts in it.

While I was cleaning it some young Army Troops came over to watch.  The guy wanted to drive himself to the hospital at Ft Wainwright.  Those troops took charge, good military training there.  They flat told him he was not going to drive.  They took his keys away from him, and gave him a choice of leaving his car there or letting one of them follow them to the hospital.  He had no choice but to ride in the truck with the one taking charge.  Two of them litteraly carryed him to their truck, while the third one followed to the car.  I gave the pistol to the driver of the truck,  and told him it belonged to the guy.  Off they went to the hospital.

While I did not see it, it's obvious what he did.  He fired the pistol with his thumb up on the back of the slide.  Pistol fired, slide came to the rear pushing thumb back.  Then thumb came forward up under the slide.  Slide closed, usually trapping end of the thumb.  Man they do a lot of screaming when someone pulls the slide back to free the trapped thumb.  Appearently this guy jerked hard enough to tear the end of his mutilated thumb off.
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Re: Ouch! End of the Thumb gone.
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2011, 08:03:17 AM »
Guess someone in Hollywood owes him a thumb ;)  as it would seem that is where he got his training. Shame he got himself hurt, but he should have found some sort of instruction before taking up a potentially dangerous hobby.
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Re: Ouch! End of the Thumb gone.
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2011, 09:42:13 AM »
Yikes! Glad you made it through it safe. Sounds like when he chunked the pistol it could have went worse.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2011, 09:45:16 AM »
That's why I have always maintained that women, are better students in a firearms class than men.  Women don't have any preconceived notions about how to shoot, and they listen and ask questions if they don't understand something.   8)
On the other hand most men have seen way too many "gun" movies, and the macho factor kicks in, where they feel because they are men, that the know how to safely handle a firearm. :-[
Sourdough - Too bad the guy didn't take a little time to ask questions from about the handgun.  He would have saved himself a world of hurt.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 11:22:31 AM »
Yea, even Empty Quiver's monkey is smart enough to keep his thumb where it belongs.  Just had to point that out. 

This is the third time I have seen this.  The other two were not this bad. 

First one put his left hand over his right one, with the thumb sticking up.  All he got was a busted thumb with a good cut.  He needed a few stitches. 

The second one was with a little .22 auto.  Guy held it in his right hand with the thumb sticking straight up on the back of the slide.  When the gun fired his thumb went under the slide, and was pinched between the slide and the frame.  He was caught and could not work the action to get out.  All he did was have a chunk cut on three sides.  When I opened the action his thumb along with the chunk came out.  We slipped it back in place and put a dressing on it.  He was OK, but a little smarter.  There was not enough force with the .22 to do any real damage like the .32 did.
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Re: Ouch! End of the Thumb gone.
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 01:25:29 PM »
Wish I had a dollar for every guy I stopped on the firing line with his thumbs around the slide of a semi-auto pistol.  Most times, it was somebody whose handgun experience was previously with revolvers.  Guys who expressed that they knew better than me were left to do their own first aid.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 07:23:15 PM »
 nice to know that alaska has their share of idiots.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 12:28:32 AM »
It used to be called- a military thumb. Seemed to have happened alot when the M1 Garand was issued.

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 02:52:31 AM »
Was coaching an Army M9 range a couple of years ago (imagine that, me in the Air Force and they came to me for the hard guys to coach for qualification).  Had a young troop who was from Africa but in the US Army.  He had never fired pistol before.  Kept putting left hand thumb out straight behind the slide during dry fire.  I kept walking over and moving his thumb back into the correct position.  I even explained to him what was going to happen.  This happened about 3-4 times.  I was joking about it with another senior NCO.  Then we went live.  Next thing ya' know... the young soldier was dripping blood and holding his hand in the air for help.  Kid bled like a stuck pig and got some stitches on his thumb.  Guess he finally learned that the back egde of the M9 slide is sharp...
 
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 05:32:20 AM »
Okay Sourdough, you scared me there for a couple seconds.  I thought the story was going to be about your thumb.  Very happy to hear that was not the case.
 
Hopefully, the J.C. Higgins fellow will swear off of guns and maybe save his other digits and maybe someone's life.
 
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2011, 06:08:52 AM »
Experience is the best teacher. Doing it once may be due to not thinking it through. Doing it again is proof that you are dumb.

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2011, 06:09:21 AM »
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Re: Ouch! End of the Thumb gone.
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 06:53:38 AM »
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I gave the pistol to the driver of the truck,  and told him it belonged to the guy.

So he can do the same to his other hand...

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Doing it again is proof that you are dumb.

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2011, 07:17:09 AM »
Never seen that before but have seen peeled knuckles from the slide. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2011, 02:32:14 PM »
Never seen that before but have seen peeled knuckles from the slide. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


Oh that brings back bad childhood memories.
The first time I fired the old man's 1911, he gave me a quick demonstration and some good instructions.
Which I still think he could have been more detailed with them instructions I was only 9 yrs old.
So instead of holding it like he instructed I wrap my support hand thumb over the top and wham I all most wet my pants .
The old man looked at my mangled thumb told me it would survive and asked, Is that the way I showed you to hold that weapon boy?
Trying not to cry I managed a No sir, to which he replied Bet you never do that again will ya boy.
The old man was funny if you had any questions he take all day answering them. Heck he would even show you something repeatedly if you asked .
But if you didn't ask he was more than happy to let you learn the hard way. He always said most folks was in a hurry to learn by that method anyways. I did learn 2 things from that ordeal. One never wrap your thumb over the top no matter what weapon your firing.
Two when the old man gives you instruction pay attention and when you start to follow those instruction look back over your shoulder and get that nod from him before you cut loose.

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