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911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« on: April 24, 2012, 12:59:02 AM »
All aircraft have a unified serial number parts codes, or 'serially controlled time change parts' in a more civilian parlance..These are critical parts that are serially numbered and linked to the aircraft's registration...these parts must be changed out after so many operational hours or cycles.
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Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface  actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually  indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an  airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts  or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible." (Col Nelson).Therefore the question remains,,,,why haven't these alleged 911 aircraft been properly and forensic identified, or the real FDRecorder info and penta tapes released....??..article follows below...TM7  (btw--perhaps a mod could repair the type format in this article as I could not).
 
911 - Aircraft Parts As
A Clue To Their Identity
The Precautionary Principle
By George Nelson,,,,Colonel, USAF (ret.)
4-23-5   
The precautionary principle is based on the fact that the failure to prove a proposition completely does not disprove the proposition. If the proposition warns of an ongoing or oncoming disaster (e.g. global warming) it is wise to take precautions. The proposition arrived at here is this: the 911 hijackings and damage to buildings were not the work of Arab terrorists, but appear to have been part of a black operation carried out with the cooperation of elements in our government.  In July, 1965, I had just been commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in the U. S. Air Force after taking a solemn oath that I would protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same. I took that oath very seriously. It was my constant companion throughout a thirty-year military career in the field of aircraft maintenance.  As an additional duty, aircraft maintenance officers are occasionally tasked as members of aircraft accident investigation boards and my personal experience was no exception. In 1989 I graduated from the Aircraft Mishap Investigation Course at the Institute of Safety and Systems Management at the University of Southern California. In addition to my direct participation as an aircraft accident investigator, I reviewed countless aircraft accident investigation reports for thoroughness and comprehensive conclusions for the Inspector General, HQ Pacific Air Forces during the height of the Vietnam conflict.  In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.  Following a certain number of flying hours or, in the case of landing gears, a certain number of takeoff-and-landing cycles, these critical parts are required to be changed, overhauled or inspected by specialist mechanics. When these parts are installed, their serial numbers are married to the aircraft registration numbers in the aircraft records and the plans and scheduling section will notify maintenance specialists when the parts must be replaced. If the parts are not replaced within specified time or cycle limits, the airplane will normally be grounded until the maintenance action is completed. Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible.  Considering the catastrophic incidents of September 11 2001, certain troubling but irrefutable conclusions must be drawn from the known facts. I get no personal pleasure or satisfaction from reporting my own assessment of these facts.  United Airlines Flight 93  This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.  Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a significant hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially-controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proved beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the the government has not produced any hard evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that the specifically alleged aircraft crashed at that site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, is still in operation.  American Airlines Flight 11  This flight was reported by the government to be a Boeing 767, registration number N334AA, carrying 92 people, including five Arabs who had hijacked the plane. This plane was reported to have crashed into the north tower of the WTC complex of buildings.  Again, the government would have no trouble proving its case if only a few of the hundreds of serially controlled parts had been collected to positively identify the aircraft. A Boeing 767 landing gear or just one engine would have been easy to find and identify.  United Airlines Flight 175  This flight was reported to be a Boeing 767, registration number N612UA, carrying 65 people, including the crew and five hijackers. It reportedly flew into the south tower of the WTC.  Once more, the government has yet to produce one serially controlled part from the crash site that would have dispelled any questions as to the identity of the specific airplane.  American Airlines Flight 77  This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.  Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce aerial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view.  Conclusion  The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.  With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to the government's theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is the problem with the government's 911 story. It is time to apply the precautionary principle.
. As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history.
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 02:03:33 AM »
"United Airlines Flight 93 This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field. Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a significant hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially-controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proved beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the the government has not produced any hard evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that the specifically alleged aircraft crashed at that site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, is still in operation."
 
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So Flight 93 must be some kind of stealth aircraft? Is the guy who said "Let's roll" still on board? Hope for his sake they have a really good in-flight movie.
 
The premise of the argument is a joke. It's like saying my Wife ran her car into a bridge abutment but because I was not provided with the VIN from the vehicle, she must still be driving around somewhere.  ::)
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 04:59:35 AM »
Good point Victor!
 
Go to google and type in "unified serial code" and you get links to conspiracy sites. Type in "serially controlled time change parts" and you get links to conspiracy sites. Big surprise.
 
I also believe that the FAA does not retire N registration numbers for aircraft.
 
Not sure about this Nelson guy. Still checking.
 
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 09:50:47 AM »
TM7,
 
I often hang, but seldom do I lurk. Hey is it somehow my fault that when I type in "unified serial code" in yahoo or google that the links do not lead me to the NTSB, FAA or any of the major airliner manufacturers?
 
Mr. Nelson need not worry about little ole me, but he might want to stop corresponding with these "low grade 911 sites" as you call them. They are, I am quite sure, ruining his reputation. That being said I still can't find any proof that he sent any letters to any congressman.
 
Could you by any chance provide a link to any FDR data from any crash anywhere? Just curious.
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 03:10:06 AM »
Victor3....it is forensic SOP to identify the device used in a crime...like a SS# on a handgun...
Viturally in every plane crash the FDRecorder is always recovered, as are the time senstive change parts for identification , and to see if one of these parts were at fault for a crash.
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In the case of the 911 event the crime's weapons have not been positively identified,,,even after all the bruhaha and rhubard about what really happened the OCTheorist have not released FDR data to prove novice pilots could fly like seasoned veterans, or postitively indentified the aircraft allegedly used in the attacks...This important.

 Okay, help me out here. I'm not adverse to the idea that something fishy might have gone on on 9/11, just confused on many points.
 
 Is the contention here that different aircraft from the "officially" described ones were used to carry out the attacks? If so, where did they originate from? What happened to the aircraft we were told about, along with the people who were (supposedly, I guess) on them? Did they not exist? Did they land at Area 51?
 
 Were the FDR units said to be recovered intact and operable from any of the crash sites? I have no problem believing that the ones on the aircraft that hit the towers and Pentagon were destroyed. That leaves the one on flight 93, which could also have been destroyed upon impact. These things are not indestructible; just less likely to be destroyed than other parts of the aircraft.
 
 As far as "novice pilots flying like seasoned veterans," who claims that the terrorists did so, or needed to? I landed a DC-9 in a training simulator once. 1st try, and didn't kill any virtual passengers. Suppose I could have easily crashed into the control tower if I'd wanted to though.
 
 I've been employed in aerospace manufacturing (much experience being related to various airliner programs) for ~30 years. Part numbers are securely affixed in various ways to critical parts, many of which are not likely to be destroyed in a crash. However, are these part numbers always a matter of public record after a crash?
 
 Your point about "see if one of these parts were at fault for a crash" is meaningless here; we know that part failures did not cause the planes to crash. Why would anyone waste time on that?
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 03:31:25 AM »
after a crash, an airline retires the flight number and the ship number. though not required to.
the FAA can, if they wish, reissue a tail number.  though they usually don't.

how many people would have to be in cahoots to eliminate two airplanes and all the passengers and crew, and not have a leak??   why would people keep pushing nonsense??
I guess they just hate America so much that they want it destroyed.

my info comes from 30 years in the airline industry, good friend with the retired head of the southeast division on the NTSB, and many retired and active airline pilots.
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 08:28:08 AM »
Bugeye ...Tail numbers are registration numbers, like license plates, and not to be confused with Flight numbers.....both numbers are not reused after crashes generally speaking,,,and not to be confused with manufacturer delivery registrations....Most important fact is the Tail number registration also requires a FIREPROOF PLATE AFFIXED TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE PLANE BODY SO THAT THE AIRCRAFT CAN BE IDENTIFIED in event of a firy crash......a fireproof plate!!
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I know what a flt number is.  I know what a ship number is.  neither of which has anything to do with the N-number assigned by the FAA.  all they require is that the number be painted or decaled on the fuselage or stabilizer, so as to be readily seen.  I've seen them in both places.
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 12:55:04 AM »
Most important fact is the Tail number registration also requires a FIREPROOF PLATE AFFIXED TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE PLANE BODY SO THAT THE AIRCRAFT CAN BE IDENTIFIED in event of a firy crash......a fireproof plate!!
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 So who "requires" these plates? Got an pic of one? Never heard of the FAA or any other org requiring such a thing for "registration" purposes.
 
 Some customers have the manufaturer affix an info plate(s) on the bottom of the fuselage, or add their own after delivery. It's not to identify the aircraft after a crash; it's so anyone (such as maintenance personnel) can easily identify the aircraft while standing directly under it. These plates are at most just thin aluminum labels, not anything designed to survive a crash. In reality, most times the info is just painted with a stencil or on a decal that's easily replaced if damaged.
 
 And why would these supposed super-duper licence plates be required, seeing as how we have so many "unified serial number parts codes" all over the place with which to positively ID an aircraft?  ::)
 
 The idea that some secret org could arrange to make established airliners disappear (in mid-flight, no less) and replace them with mysterious unidentified ones is ludicrous. These planes are all made in the same few factories, all with cradle-to-grave paper trails long enough to reach from here to the moon. David Copperfield might convince a few it can be done, but at some point most adults come to realise it's all just an illusion.  ;)
 
 BTW TM7, planning on addressing any of the points in my previous post?  ???
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 02:54:11 AM »
Victor3 has answered your points, I have answered your points.  but you keep adding more nonsense.
why don't you use the freedom-of-information-act??
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2012, 12:37:06 AM »
 TM7 - Thanks for responding to my questions. Just let just me say that:
 
 1) I find it hard to believe certain points concerning the official 9/11 account.
 
 2) I find it impossible to believe certain theories floated by 9/11 truthers.
 
 3) I believe that the govt has kept much info about 9/11 secret that should be made public.
 
 4) I believe that logical  discussion is always healthy.
 
 5) I hate lies, no matter who's speaking them.
 
 6) I always try to live by the idea in my sig line.
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Re: 911 Aircraft Parts Identity Questions.... or 'Scam'....
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2012, 03:10:08 AM »
TM7, the aircraft at both places, pentagon and Pennsylvania, have been identified.
are they supposed to be re-identified every day??
do you check the VIN on your car/truck every day to make sure someone didn't swap it out during the night??
I love the way you ignore eye-witnesses.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/jetliner.html
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