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Offline flicker

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45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« on: July 05, 2011, 05:06:12 PM »
Can a 45/70 barrel be used on a SB-1 frame?
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Re: CAN I?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 06:35:46 PM »
It will work fine at trapdoor load levels.
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Re: CAN I?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 06:39:00 PM »
You MIGHT getaway with it for really LOW pressure loadings but if it ever had a warmer load put in it it may suffer terminal structural failure. Note all this would happen inches from your face.

IMHO not worth the risk considering the price of an SB2 receiver or even a complete rifle, it would be cheaper than your insurance co-pay for a new face!


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Re: CAN I?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 06:52:46 PM »
The H&R model 155 Shikari was available in 45-70 and 44 mag, it used a cast iron frame very similar to modern SB1 frames,  so it would be fine with any SAAMI spec 45-70 round.
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Re: CAN I?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 07:19:13 PM »
Quote from: flicker on July 05, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
Can a 45/70 barrel be used on a SB-1 frame?

Yes. Like Tim says, keep it at trapdoor levels and enjoy the rifle. ;)
45-70 was a factory chambering for years on a cast iron frame so I'm not sure why some folks think the gun will blow up into tiny pieces and tear your face off. ::)
22 Hornet, 357 mag/max, 44mag, 30-30, 45LC, 45-70... would all be good candidates for an SB1 frame. The most important thing is to use some common sense if you're reloading for them.
 
 
 
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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 11:58:34 AM »
I have a 22" 45/70 barrel on a SB1 frame that I use to shoot substitute BPCR loads.  I would not have a problem shooting factory ammo with it, but I don't because I have other 45 cal rifles.  I am concerned about the what if's of someone else getting the gun down the road and putting hot handloads in it, but as already mentioned you can buy a used Shikari and put a hot round in it if you don't know any better.   
 
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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 12:07:37 PM »
Thank you all for the info.
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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 02:22:29 PM »
OK I stand corrected, I am just a bit overcautious that is why i sought out an SB2 for my 44 shortie, just a bigger margin for error.

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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 04:36:44 PM »
Steve,
 
Caution with guns and reloading is a good thing.  And at some point you will fall under Pete's influence and ream your 44 to 445 SM and you will need the SB2 for that rig.  ;)
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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 05:24:27 PM »
Man call me wimpy but those trapdoor loads are dang strong enough for this little old man and most everthing they hit :o :o
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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2011, 08:47:19 AM »
They do work surprisingly well, dont they  ;D ,
Even so, my SS model can use the Marlin level loads and with the scope and MC/RP lam stock is just plain comfortable doing it. Its a nice option to have, but my steel and paper targets really dont know why.
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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2011, 08:52:32 AM »
Quote from: ssjohnnie on July 06, 2011, 05:24:27 PM
Man call me wimpy but those trapdoor loads are dang strong enough for this little old man and most everthing they hit :o :o

I see no need for anything more powerful.  I'd rather have fun than take the beating.
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Re: 45-70 on SB1 Frame?
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 05:47:03 PM »
Quote from: Swampman on July 11, 2011, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: ssjohnnie on July 06, 2011, 05:24:27 PM
Man call me wimpy but those trapdoor loads are dang strong enough for this little old man and most everthing they hit :o :o

I see no need for anything more powerful.  I'd rather have fun than take the beating.

 
+1 to that. ;)
 
 
 
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