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Offline huntingfool

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Something funny happened today, deer came to my rabbit call
« on: January 02, 2004, 04:51:56 PM »
This morning my boy and I went to my deer hunting spot to try to call in a coyote or bobcat.  Lot's of yote sign; tracks and scat.  Tried using a mouth call, no luck.  I've tried using a mouth call probably 15 times over the last 3-4 years with no luck.
So today I purchased a Prey Master digital call and went behind the house in the woods to see how it sounded (have seen bobcats, foxes, coyotes, and deer in the backyard.) After 15-20 minutes using the rabit call at different sound levels, three does came out the thick brush and were feeding right towards me.  
The deer never seemed scared of the call.  They would stop and look to where the sound was coming from, but kept coming.  In fact, all three approached to within 10 - 15 feet of the speaker.  It wasn't until I hit the button for the coyote howls and barks when they turned up their tails and lit out.

Has anyone else had this type of experience?  Are deer not scared of something screaming/dying?

Also, one more question....After calling at one stand with one call (dying rabbit), can you change the call (hurt cat or hurt bird) without spooking anything coming in?  

thanks for any help....

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2004, 05:00:44 AM »
Actually, for those of us who have spent a great deal of time out calling, having "unintendeds" come to a call is quite common.   Deer are very curious by nature and does come to calls quite easily - bucks more cautiously.  Others I've had come in readily are cows, horses and sheep, and a bunch of other wild creatures and birds over the years - especially various rodents and the smaller predators like badger, ferrets and pine martin - and jays, crows, ravens, hawks, owls and eagles for the birds.    The sounds we are trying to imitate are natural sounds heard often by most of the citters in the wild, so if you are staying motionless and have the wind, chances are good to see a whole lot more than just the intended prey animal on a given set.

Every situation is different, but switching "sounds" can actually help trigger some action sometimes - be the spur for something that has held up.    In my case, I almost always use both howling and distress calls together - and both very sparingly.   You learn from doing but most people seem to over call.   Si I hunt alone, and I only use mouth calls - don't consider using the electronics really calling or hunting, only shooting - but to each his own.  

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2004, 05:35:07 AM »
I've read enough on this forum to know electronic calls are considered cheating or not real hunting.  I feel the same way with people hunting over corn feeders.  I saw an electronic call at Academy that made the sound of a feeder going off to attract deer.

I grew up in Southeast Oklahoma where there are plenty of coyotes, bobcats, foxes, etc.  I now live in Edmond, Ok, a suburb of Okla. City, and have seen lots of sign.

My problem is this, I have tried calling with a mouth call on many occasions.  I've tried at daylight, dusk, middle of the day, and on one occasion at night with a light (when I was young, this is illegal where I'm from).  I've washed my camo in the detergent to rid human smells, used face nets, tried to use the wind to my advantage, etc.  Never seen a thing while calling.  Lat year, saw a bobcat run down a creekbank when I was deerhunting, not calling.  Killed a yote while deerhunting also, but was not calling.  Coyotes and bobcat are in the area I hunt.  This morning went again, lots of tracks and poop.

Am hoping an electronic call will work so I can have success, any success, just hoping to see an animal.  I'm not lazy or looking for the easy way out, just trying to learn something, anything.

One question, explain the howling call.  Is it only a locator or will yotes come to you when you call.  Does it only work at night or can you do it early morning or even during the day?  Never heard a howl during the day so I figure it shouldn't be done except at night.

If anyone is in the Oklahoma City area and wants to show someone how good they are at calling, I'd be willing to learn.

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2004, 08:17:22 AM »
Hunting fool- I also have a prey master call adn i'm a little curious on how good they work. I just got it today so i haven't used it yet but when u use it let me know the out come. thanks

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2004, 08:19:13 AM »
As I said, to each his own pard.   I just consider pitting my own skills against the predators the ultimate experience in predator hunting.   Since I call alone, it has also been the biggest "rushes" of my life on some occassions as well.   Have called in a couple of lions, and they really get the juices flowing when you know they are there and close but you haven't been able to pick them out of the scenery yet.   Have also had coyote and fox come in from behind me and get so close before I knew they were there that I could have smacked them on the nose with my barrel.   Try an unsuspected coyote bark 3 feet behind you sometime to get your attention fast!   Now thats fun!   I wouldn't call using the machine "cheating" if that's within the ethics of the gent using it.   Opinions vary, and the 'tronics user is also entitled to his.  I just wouldn't use them myself, any more than I would shoot a deer from an elevated permanent blind with all the conviences of home over a feed lot planted just to lure the deer in.   Same with "hunting" lions with dogs and horses.   Shooting, not hunting IMO.   :oops:

On the electronic do-dad, if you don't have a remote, get one.   Biggest problem I've seen with them is most guys just turn them on full blast and let them run non stop.   Same short sequence over and over - same volume.   Not true to life, as anyone who has spent enough time in the outdoors to have heard it for real knows!    As I said, I learned a long time ago that when calling, less is better.   And, you can imitate and control the real life sounds of a dying/tiring prey animal better with a mouth call.   Yes, you better be rock motionless using a hand call - the predator is focusing right on you with them instead of the area where the speaker is on the machines.  But you get your chances to get ready when they pass behind trees or brush and can't see you too.

Techniques vary, and it sounds like you have just not hit one that works for you in the areas you've been trying the mouth calls.   Even a newbie gets a dumb or young coyote sooner or later despite his mistakes in calling if he gets out and tries enough times.   Lost chances can be from blowing a sour note, too much movement, or more likely a huge error in picking his setup and getting winded long before he has the chance to see one coming in.   Another big one is calling in areas that will not be productive because they are not holding any predators, regarless if you see lots of sign - might just be a travel area.   More often than not, howling will prevent wasted time at those places.

I personally like howling - has worked well for me for over 30 years here in the west.   I have learned a pretty good selection of howls that I use with several calls I made for specific howls, and do use them along with the distress calls if the situation calls for it.   The golden hours for howling for me are in late evening to after dark, but "locators" do work at night and howling is usually also good in the silver hours from pre-dawn until the sun gets a good grip on your world.   On overcast days following a few days of bad weather howling can also be good.   Do I always get a reply when there is in fact coyotes within earshot of my howls - no!   But I do more often than not.   Sometimes they come in silent, or not at all.   When I don't get a reply after a couple of attempts, after a few long minutes I will do a short series or two of distress.   That usually gets those held up headed my way to see who that coyote is that's eating their prey.

Gad, books could be written on all the different situations and what to do in them.   But way more fun than reading about someone elses trails and tribulations is getting out there and living your own.   Anybody can become an efficient predator caller with practice and learning what works and what doesn't in your area.   But you have to do the time before you can do the crime.   :wink:    Would be a great help to you if you could locate an experinced caller in your area and tag along on a few hunts.   Most who have figured it out are more than willing to share.   Could lead to a pefect partner to team up with if you don't prefer hunting alone as I do.

HTH, and yes, I know YMMV.   As I said, to each his own and best of luck with what works for you.    Just enjoy your time in nature however you chose to spend it.   Biggest thing is just get out there, and treat every experience as a learning experience (I'm still learning)!

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2004, 09:40:28 AM »
Ladobe.
What you think about electronic calls for yotes is how I feel about electronic calls for turkey.  The fun is having them answer, sometimes hanging up out of range, and trying to coax them in.  I also know in turkey hunting, you can mess up a note and still bring them in (maybe not w/coyotes?).  I've heard real hens give some pretty weird sounding notes.  

I have an 8 year old that I take on some occasions (he can sit still).  He loves going with me even though we don't see anything.  If we can just have one successful sighting, we'd be happy.  If we could learn how to do this, I would be happy to sell this call on ebay and graduate up to the mouth calls.

I hope that repeated postings on this site will finally be read by some expert in my area who feels bad for the idiot and will have compassion.  Maybe will offer to show me how its done  :grin:

p.s. if anyone has a preymaster call, I'd be thankful if they would give feedback on what they found works the best for fox/bobcat/yotes (I've seen them all in my backyard, always at night.  Have seen three bobcats about a month ago about 9am.  Looked like a mom and two offspring.  I've seen a big tom during the day about two months ago, I know their here)  

I also look on ebay for tapes on predator hunting for reasonable prices but haven't had much luck.  Anyone have any that's been watched too many times and want to sell?  If so,  email me   huntingfool@gbronline.com
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2004, 12:14:33 PM »
Just don't give up - you'll get there.   Half the fun is learning - the most remembered successes will be those that did hang up and you managed to coax in anyway.

On the video's, I can help you out with a couple of real good ones maybe.   Drop me a PM or better yet an email pard and we'll kick the tires.

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2004, 01:19:17 PM »
we had the exact thing happen this am at first light there were about 20 deer in the field and had 2 deer come right at us to about 50 yards. first time for everything. we put in the locator tape with all the barks and howles and not one of thoes deer left the field.
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