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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2011, 06:00:00 AM »
Standardized testing is not exactly new with the Obama admin is it? All of your doctors and lawyers did very well on their standardized tests.
their tests are certainly not standardized multiple choice.  next time you're at the doctor, ask him about his final exam.  he'll describe several hours of trying to convince a panel of doctors that he's good enough to join their ranks.  it's a grueling ordeal.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2011, 06:16:05 AM »
I don't know about doctors' exams, but I can tell you that the bar exam DOES encompass multiple choice testing.  One day of the multi-state exam, consisting of multiple choice type questions and one day of essay type questions.  I invite anyone who doesn't consider multiple choice testing to be a legitimate means of determining knowledge to take the bar exam, real estate broker's exam, or any other of the number of professional exams administered each day.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2011, 06:49:06 AM »
the doctors final is oral (unless things have changed) facing a panel of doctors that don't make it easy.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2011, 07:33:46 AM »
The validity of standardized tests is not the issue. When over a month is lost in educational time because students are taking many, many standardized tests. That is the problem. Several days for math, several days for English and reading, several days for science along with other mandated tests . That's where I have a problem with too much testing instead of teaching my students.

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2011, 07:39:56 AM »
It must be that the teachers are doing a poor job if the curriculum they are teaching in the classes does not ready them for the tests. Maybe they should spend a little less time on promoting homosexuality and worrying about these children's self esteem.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2011, 07:46:35 AM »
 
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The validity of standardized tests is not the issue. When over a month is lost in educational time because students are taking many, many standardized tests. That is the problem. Several days for math, several days for English and reading, several days for science along with other mandated tests . That's where I have a problem with too much testing instead of teaching my students.
     Well, my guess is that they are learning at least as much from the testing (nothing like a test to refresh what has been taught). 
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2011, 07:48:45 AM »
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The validity of standardized tests is not the issue.

 
BTW, didn't you write about a half page post questioning that very thing (validity of standardized tests)?   ::)
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2011, 07:49:49 AM »
It must be that the teachers are doing a poor job if the curriculum they are teaching in the classes does not ready them for the tests. Maybe they should spend a little less time on promoting homosexuality and worrying about these children's self esteem.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2011, 07:56:47 AM »
Simple as that! If the kids don't learn the information on the standardised tests in the classroom, then they should fail.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2011, 10:23:25 AM »
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The validity of standardized tests is not the issue.

 
BTW, didn't you write about a half page post questioning that very thing (validity of standardized tests)?   ::)
yes I did. -just throwing out bits of info. hoping it would be useful. A good standardized test is not a bad tool. The operative words are - good standardized test.

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2011, 10:51:20 AM »
Considering what he does for a living, I guess his education suited him just fine. Wonder how many people in the real world could make it with that kind of education? Think that all the engineers and doctors could make a living without having standardized tests? At least enough to know how far up the education ladder they've climbed. Being an actor, and making alot of money is fine. But, the world needs more business people,professional's,medical reasearchers, scientists, than actors. gypsyman

Hmmm, seems like they did just fine designing Saturn rockets, SR71's, the Golden Gate bridge, the pyramids in Egypt, the Panama Canal and just about EVERYTHING that was ever invented, built or developed until the past 20 years.  Standardized tests were not and are not required for education.  They are only required for justification.  Standardized tests are fine to measure whether a kid has LEARNED anything.  But when a school takes TWO weeks off from normal educational processes to prep for the tests that determine funding for that school, that is when the program is seriously AFU!  This past year, my son (11th grade in Texas) took two weeks of prep for some tests and then another week prep for more tests.  Of course then comes SAT, ACT, ASVAB and whatever else has been dreamed.  I would bet that altogether he missed 4-5 weeks of classroom LEARNING to prep for tests for which he should already have been taught the answer.  Prepping for the test or "drill and kill" is just to see how much money the school gets the next year.  The better the scores the more funding, so more time is spent drilling and prepping.  Nothing like teaching the test instead of teaching the student.
      It's not whether or not standardized tests are valid indicators of educational progress.  It's not a question of the format; whether oral, essay, multiple choice or fill in the blank.  It's a question of standardized tests as indicators of a school or teacher's performance and therefore that school or teacher's financial benefits for the next year.  I took years of standardized tests (the old "Achievement Tests") at the end of every school year.  We were never TAUGHT the test.  We finished our school work on Friday and the next week we took the tests.  The process now is different.  Education stops and teaching the test begins...  I guarantee that without regard for the supposed nobleness of the teaching profession, if next year's salary (or even "employment") were based upon the cumulative performance of 30 kids on a standardized test... about 90% of the teachers will teach the test and be glad to do so.
     Standardized tests are a valid measure of educational progress, they are NOT a valid educational tool.  Scheduled and known standardized tests that are "prepped for" and "taught" are NOT a valid measure of educational progress.  Schools should NOT be funded and teachers should NOT be paid based upon how well they can prep a class full of students to pass a KNOWN test.
 
 
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2011, 12:17:08 PM »
ngh, that's the best explanation.
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2011, 01:10:51 AM »
He can't see that, because he is lucky enough to make a living, it doesn't mean that the world can function overall under that system. He's lucky and thinks he earned something in a way that will function as a universal system and he can't see the self consumeing nature of that system. 
 
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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2011, 03:03:38 AM »
As a conservative I think we need to weed out teachers who aren't doing a deceint job. But, the communists like to give tests to find a kid's aptitude at an early age and then customize their education to get maximum bang for their dollar. I think today's liberal educators have the same goals in mind.

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2011, 05:14:10 AM »
As a conservative I think we need to weed out teachers who aren't doing a deceint job. But, the communists like to give tests to find a kid's aptitude at an early age and then customize their education to get maximum bang for their dollar. I think today's liberal educators have the same goals in mind.
exactly how do the communists do that??

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Re: Matt Damon's view of education
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2011, 10:09:41 AM »
As a conservative I think we need to weed out teachers who aren't doing a deceint job. But, the communists like to give tests to find a kid's aptitude at an early age and then customize their education to get maximum bang for their dollar. I think today's liberal educators have the same goals in mind.
exactly how do the communists do that??

The state pays for all education. If the kid doesn't pass his test he is through at that level. I have heard that the US military is that way in some fields, one flunked test and you are through in that particular field. I don't know, I have just heard that .ear
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