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Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« on: August 26, 2011, 06:58:06 AM »
The first carronade is finished and we've determined it is a British 18-pounder cast in 1805 by Wiggin & Graham. We haven't had much luck tracking where the carronade was sent after it was cast. The records have other 18-pounder carronades by W&G with serial numbers close to ours but no dice. The second carronade just went into ER and it is clearly a different style of 18-pounder carronade. It has a much more rounded cascabel as opposed to the button style. It also has a solid fore site as opposed to the step site. There is a base plate on the underside but nothing has been engraved on it (no maker's mark, serial number, etc.) There is no British broad arrow so my thought was that this is an American-cast carronade. Here are some pictures. Any help identifying the maker or origin would be greatly appreciated.









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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 07:02:29 AM »

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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2011, 09:35:28 AM »
Welcome back, Brennan. I know that some opinions voiced on an earlier thread surmised that because of the smoothly rounded outer breech face (as opposed to ringed), along with some photos of U.S. Navy drawings of a similar looking barrel taken at the ‘National Archives’, that it’s likely to be of American design and manufacture; but other than what you've already stated in the opening post, do you have any other reasons for leaning towards that same judgment?

Photo of a USN drawing by John Morris






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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2011, 09:44:23 AM »
No, I mean, without a maker's mark, it's hard to be exact. The iron used is of a much 'cheaper' quality than that of the British 18-pounder I conserved prior. It's very soft and hasn't held up as well as the British gun. Now, I'm not too sure if that's because the early American gunfounders were still correcting their gun casting techniques and material or if British iron and American iron at that time were of two different qualities.

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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2011, 04:10:56 PM »
Welcome back, Brennan. I know that some opinions voiced on an earlier thread surmised that because of the smoothly rounded outer breech face (as opposed to ringed), along with some photos of U.S. Navy drawings of a similar looking barrel taken at the ‘National Archives’, that it’s likely to be of American design and manufacture; but other than what you've already stated in the opening post, do you have any other reasons for leaning towards that same judgment?

Photo of a USN drawing by John Morris



FYI that drawing pictured is mine and I already loaned the drawing to  bbajdek along quoth three or four others I had. 

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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2011, 01:53:37 AM »
Welcome back, Brennan. I know that some opinions voiced on an earlier thread surmised that because of the smoothly rounded outer breech face (as opposed to ringed), along with some photos of U.S. Navy drawings of a similar looking barrel taken at the ‘National Archives’, that it’s likely to be of American design and manufacture; but other than what you've already stated in the opening post, do you have any other reasons for leaning towards that same judgment?

Photo of a USN drawing by John Morris



FYI that drawing pictured is mine and I already loaned the drawing to  bbajdek along quoth three or four others I had.


The pictures in question were originally given to you by John Morris (cannonmn).


The other drawings.  You can see how the USN drawing I posted earlier seems to be an "adaptation" of this British drawing.  The tube looks identical, but the carriage has changed.























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John,

That's what I am looking for!!! Those  Blueprints!!!!

Are there any drawings of the carriages or bases?

If you can send me copies of that print I would be greatful!
RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2011, 06:34:54 AM »
He sent me his copies and not for free either...they are mine!!!

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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2011, 07:14:14 AM »
Double D,
Starting with the FYI; I'm just not sure what you're trying to get at, I'm not picking up on it. What is the point you're tying to make? 
RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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Re: Update on Arch Cape, Oregon Carronades
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 09:34:31 AM »
Check your PM's John...