Author Topic: compressed loads (Read 605 times)

josebd · « **on:** January 06, 2004, 12:35:05 PM »

is it safe to load compressed loads for a .223 wanting to load varget 27.5c 55 grain and 50 grain sp

Old Syko · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2004, 02:09:45 PM »

If you have written documentation of a specific load, using a specific bullet, powder, primer, brass all by specific manufacturers and have worked up to such a load by the use of proper and safe methods, the assumption would be it may be ok. Problem is you have specified none of the above therefore this cannot be a safe and useful load.

josebd · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2004, 02:24:53 PM »

im going by the hodgdon data,it shows winchester brass and primer,with varget. im using remington brass,cci sr. hodgon shows the max for a 55 grain sp at 27.5c at 3384 velocity, why is the hornady v- max much lower for the max,26.3 at 3200?

BruceP · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2004, 02:33:27 PM »

If you are working from presure tested data (and you are, I checked Hodgdons website, and I assume that is where you got your info too.)and you work up to the max load from the starting load, while watching for signs of over pressure, then yes compressed loads are safe. Some compressed loads actually have lower pressure when tested than some non-compressed loads. This is usually because the powder being used is on the slow side for the bullet weight being used in the cartridge.
BruceP

onesonek · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2004, 02:36:49 PM »

May be safe in one rifle, maybe not in the next. Caution is always the rule. Start low and work up slow.

josebd · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2004, 03:15:37 PM »

what are the signs of to hot of a load?

Iowegan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2004, 03:21:29 PM »

Josebd, I load 223's with 27.0 gr Varget with 50 to 55 gr bullets. They have proven to be very accurate in several guns with no signs of over pressure. The powder nearly fills the case so be carefull when handeling until you get a bullet seated. Yes, they crunch a little when seating the bullet but no problem.

briarpatch · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2004, 03:21:40 PM »

A big sign that says EMERGENCY ROOM if you are lucky.

josebd · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2004, 03:36:20 PM »

i was planning on starting at 26.4 then working my way up in .2 increments to 27.0

Iowegan · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2004, 10:49:19 AM »

No emergency room needed. The posted load by Hodgdon is 27.5gr for a 55 gr bullet. Mine chrono about the same as a factory load but are way more accurate. The good thing about Varget is its temperature range. I used to use other powders but their pressure, burn rate, thus velocity is way low at 10 degrees F and way high at 100 degrees F. Varget will stay +or- 40 fps from 10 to 100 degrees. Another nice thing about using Varget in a 223 case is you can't over load them. 27.5 gr fills the case full.

Briarpatch, look for the sign "Education Office"

Graybeard · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2004, 03:37:37 PM »

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A big sign that says EMERGENCY ROOM if you are lucky.

I like it. Wish I'd thought of that. It is as good a sign of excess pressure as any of the others folks think are worth using. And if you use those others you might see that one some day.

GB

briarpatch · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2004, 04:27:00 PM »

Quote from: josebd

what are the signs of to hot of a load?

I saw the picture of ruger sbh about 6 years ago that belonged to a fellow I worked with. He had been shooting the gun with what he called " hot loads" he had purchased from someone that had loaded them for him to use in his 44mag. I guess he got one that was ( "to hot of a load" ) the top strap and upper 3 chambers were blown away. He was not hurt, not even a cut to his hand. I did not grill him about all that could have gone wrong to make a gun rupture the way it did but I did ask if maybe the shot before that one failed to clear the barrel a weak load perhaps or left something in the barrel. To that question he said no it shot fine. I still have trouble thinking that a hot load could do that to a strong gun. but with the little info I have which was (what he said ) I guess it was ( to hot of a load )
I too handload and the information I gleen from this forum is useful from the stand point of loading,shooting and hunting. ( I dont like the pictures of live animals caught in traps, they have a certain expression of defeat that some how touches me.) but I support the trappers and browse their forums. I just avoid the links to the pictures. (sissy I quess )
I handload and work my way up like most on here but barring a mistake "knock on wood" I dont go to (to hot of a load).