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Offline subdjoe

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Gunwalker and The State
« on: August 21, 2011, 10:12:01 AM »
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-and-the-foundation-of-liberty/

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It all comes down to this: Is there an inalienable right to self-defense? If there is, each man has indisputable, inestimable value, value that he may rightly preserve even if the life of another man is forfeit. A man may kill another in lawful self-defense even if the policy preferences of the state would prefer his death. If a right to self-defense actually exists, it is in a very real sense the highest law of the land and all lesser laws must pay it deference. It fundamentally defines the social contract, the nature of the relationship between man and the state.

But if there is no such inalienable right, the entire nature of the social contract is changed. Each man’s worth is measured solely by his utility to the state, and as such the value of his life rides a roller coaster not unlike the stock market: dependent not only upon the preferences of the party in power but upon the whims of its political leaders and the permanent bureaucratic class. The proof of this analysis surrounds us.

Irony abounds in that England, the cradle of the common law and of our doctrine of self-defense, has utterly done away with even a government-condescended privilege to self-preservation. Not only have the English allowed themselves to be virtually stripped of firearms, British politicians have made attempts with varying degrees of success to ban knives. Attempting to protect the self or others from brutal criminal attack can and will lead to lengthy jail sentences in jolly old England — for the victims. Attacking criminals often go free, and often successfully sue their victims for daring to harm them in the process of depriving them of property or their very lives.

In the recent riots in Britain, we see America not far into the future if the progressive worldview is much further advanced. Contemporary England is a nation that spends a great deal of time and energy ostensibly caring for “the people,” yet cares not a whit for the life of any individual, particularly when that life is threatened or taken by a member of a favored political class or victim group, criminals included. This attitude and practice is a foundation of socialism.

At an earlier stage of glorious socialist evolution, we find the family of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, murdered by cartel gunmen wielding rifles walked across the border in the gunwalker scandal. As reported by Fox News, the family of Terry requested crime victim status in the case of Jamie Avila, charged with purchasing the guns that reportedly killed Terry. Victims with such an obvious and compelling connection to a criminal case are routinely granted this status by prosecutors, but not in a government fundamentally changing itself into a socialist state.

U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke has opposed the family, claiming that the victim of Avila’s crime was “society in general” rather than any particular persons. It should be prominently noted that it is Burke’s office which has been intimately involved with Operation Fast and Furious and the gunwalking scandal which flourished under that larger operation. At stake is the right of the Terry family, under the federal Crime Victims’ Rights Act, to work with prosecutors and to be heard at Avila’s sentencing.

That is only a sample. The article is only two pages, but is a good read.
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Re: Gunwalker and The State
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2011, 04:21:39 PM »
Clearly our congress has demonstrated that they are grossly incompetent when it comes to protecting our constitution and Bill Of Rights, managing our resources, and governence in general.
 
At what point will it be prudent for us to distance ourselves from this band of fools and their foolish notions about their powers over the people?   What is God's will?
Vote them all out, EVERY election!
 
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Re: Gunwalker and The State
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2011, 01:34:49 PM »
I view self defense as not only inalienable, but God given. In this case, a higher power yields a higher law. Regardless of written law, if ever on a jury with self defense as an issue, I would reserve my right to nullification. Barring that, I would just let the defender off the hook with a decision in his/her favor.

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Re: Gunwalker and The State
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 07:35:35 PM »
Clearly our congress has demonstrated that they are grossly incompetent when it comes to protecting our constitution and Bill Of Rights, managing our resources, and governence in general.
 
At what point will it be prudent for us to distance ourselves from this band of fools and their foolish notions about their powers over the people?   What is God's will?
they do not want to protect the constitution. it stands in their way to total power and controil. we need to distance ourselves from them now

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Re: Gunwalker and The State
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2011, 12:07:50 PM »
Well we keep saying "throw the bums out" but we never do it. How about this next election? I say don't vote for ANY incumbent, throw all their axes out. Things like Fast & Furious would not have happened if the DOJ had any fear of congressional oversight but they know congress is just as crooked as themselves. Throw the bums out!! ALL OF THEM!!
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