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« on: January 05, 2004, 04:02:27 AM »
found a martini single shot in 225 winchester,how much is a good price for this rifle.? are they any good? thanks
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2004, 05:15:21 AM »
A lot depends...

First which Martini is it.  Posting pictures is the best way to tell which is which.

First of all there is a whole slew of martini designs out there. There are two basics. The Martini Henry of Queen Victoria's era and the Martini Cadet that came along later and is smaller than the  M-H.

This is a large Martini-Henry action



As is this



Notice the pins that go through the frame. The pins hold all the internal parts within the frame. Also notice the shape of the rear of the actions.

The next two are Cadet actions



Notice only the one pin in the front of the action and the hump back.  this is a small action. Remove the pin and all the internal parts come out with the trigger group.

The large actions are perfectly fine chambered in .225.  The Small cadet action has a problem with the .225. The action is plenty strong, just the barrel tenon is small.  Because of the small barrel tenon the chambers tend to bulge.  This makes for poor extraction and short case life.  this is not a probelm as long as you keep your loads down.

If I were to consider a .225 in a cadet action I would want to test fire it. If extraction is poor then I would either pass or use that as a factor to knock the  price down, way down.  All you can do if the chamber is bulged is rechamber or set the barrel back.

What it's worth is difficult to determine without seeing the gun. The Action by it's self for building into a neat little sporter is worth $175 to $200.  you can go up from there.


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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2004, 06:02:36 AM »
thanks! i think i'l pass on it and stick with my #1 and #3's! :wink:
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2004, 06:52:45 AM »
1's and 3's  are good, Martini's are interesting!

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2004, 07:28:57 AM »
Double D what caliber is that  one scoped in the photo. How easily or difficult would it be to  fit the Cadet with the barrel from a Marlin 62 in 256 Win? Thanks for the help on this one. Excellent response. POW

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2004, 03:02:07 PM »
Got any idea what the thread pitch is on the Marlin 62?  You might be able to recut the threads on the tenon if the 62 was big enough.  But then you could also just cut the Tenon off and redo everything.  

The rifle in the picture with the scope is my wife's 22K Hornet.  That gun is 36 inches long with a stock length of pull of 10.5 inches.

It does shoot!



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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2004, 08:55:45 AM »
I really do`nt know the thread pitch of the Marlin 62. I got that idea from an article in an old Guns Digest. When the 256 came out they wanted to do some testing on it.  They had a Ruger wheel gun  to work with but the Marlin was delayed in delivery. So they used a Martini Cadet and a Marlin supplied 256 barrel and began testing. The results were impressive in both accuracy and velocity. They claimed great accuracy was easily obtainable with a variety of loadings. I`ve always thought about that rifle and now have a barrel to work with so my curiosity is peaked. Best of luck. POW

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2004, 11:40:03 AM »
PofW,

I know where you can get an action....

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2004, 06:49:58 PM »
Double D send me a PM and give me more information. Best of luck. POW

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2004, 03:50:43 AM »
PM sent, Check your mail.  One of those actions barreled up in 7-30 Waters would make a nice little mountain rifle up where you live.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2004, 05:27:36 AM »
Double D I`ll tell you what the 7/30 Waters makes an even better blacktail round. I`m in Southeast coastal AlaskaPOW

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2004, 01:01:21 PM »
I know about where you are, that's why I said nice light mountian rifle...I flew into a little island off Juneau back in the mid 60's and all I saw was moutains coming up out of the water..

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2004, 02:40:23 PM »
DoubleD,

Guess where those nice bucks hang out?  On the tops of those mountains!

POW, how did you fare this past season?  All I saw was people tracks whenever I went out.  Considering that for the last couple of seasons I had three deer by Labor Day, I am dissapointed.  And hungry!

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2004, 09:38:49 AM »
Winter Hawk I cant say that I filled all my tags this year but I was close. Linda Clark is the only person I know personally to fill all tage this season. I think we are on the right track keeping non resident hunters off the island  early in the season. Wish it was residents only though. They come here by the truck load and shoot anything they see. One reuck was found at Hollis with 13 does in it.
 Are you off for the season now. Would like to get together sometime over the winter. Best of luck. POW

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2004, 05:50:35 AM »
The Martini shank thread in only about .750 dia. , so stay with the smaller base cases on the small size Martini's.  I have made several custom rifles on these small actions going back to 1961 when we could buy a rifle for $15 from Klein's Sporting Goods.  I made several changes to these actions.  Safety, rimless extractors, alter rear tang section for better shape of the stock, make the scope base dovetail on the barrel by turning the barrel oversize then machine the top optigon, make base for Control Rings    These little rifles are fun guns to own.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2004, 11:48:06 AM »
that is a beautiful rifle. I am especially impressed with the wood and stock work. Thanks for sharing with us. POW