Try this load, 158 grain Remington soft nose flat point, 17.5 grains of Lil-Gun, CCI mag primer. My grandson has taken 2 deer with this load. Both pass throughs, both 20-30 yards to recovery, good blood trails, farthest was 58 yards, boiler room shots. This load was w recommended by Jerry Lester, who had taken over 50 deer with it at the time. So i call it the "Jerry Lester" load.