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Mosin questions
« on: October 22, 2011, 02:40:17 AM »
I'm thinking about picking up a Mosin this Spring, what should I look for to make sure I get a good one?  I know about the obvious like bore condition, rust, cracked stock, etc, but I'm not at all familiar with how the bolt should look or feel. Is there a particular serial number range or counrty of manufacture I should avoid?
Finally, I've read the term "Sporterized" several times but have no idea what it means, can anyone shed some light on that for me?
I'm quite Mosin igorant so any answers will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Mosin questions
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2011, 02:55:00 AM »
  Condition is way more important that country of origin, in most cases.  They are all pretty rugged.  Some countries have better fit and finish, but they all work fine.  The Finnish, French and US made Mosin Nagants fetch the highest prices.
 
  The bolts are stiff.  You don't hold the bolt handle with a finger and thumb and slide a round to chamber.  They are meant to be slapped with a gloved hand with ice crusted onto the glove, or whacked with sweaty, muddy mitts.  They are great rifles with storied history, but precision instruments they aren't.
 
  "Sporterised" means that someone has converted it into a sporter rifle.  That could be as simple as just modifying or replacing the stock but it could mean much more work has been done to it.
 
  What is it you want to end up with?  A military antique?  A sport rifle?  A full length rifle or a carbine?  What is it you want in a MN?  For that matter, why a Mosin to begin with?  Not to talk you out of anything, just wondering what draws you so we can get a bearing on what may be important.

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Re: Mosin questions
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2011, 09:08:26 AM »
 I have no practical reason whatsoever for wanting a Mosin, I just think they're cool guns.  Perhaps I've watched "Enemy at the Gates" one time too many. ;D
 I appreciate the gun for it's history, long service record, power, accuracy, and price. I most likely will never hunt with one, it'll be more of a range toy. I may end up reloading for it. I definately do NOT want one with a modern stock, I want one as original as possible, right down to the bayonet. I want a 91/30 rather than the shorter M44.
  I've seen many for sale online with varying prices, but I'm kind of leary about guying a gun I can't inspect beforehand. I'll probably end up buying at a local gunshow.
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Re: Mosin questions
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2011, 12:54:32 PM »
That sounds like your best bet.

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Re: Mosin questions
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2011, 01:46:46 PM »
i purchased a nice carbine last weekend when i was set up at a local gunshow.the only one at the show actually.it was really nice condition with a mirror bore. orig leather and web sling and bayo.i really liked it and have a bunch of ammo for it.like a idiot i put it back on my table and somebody purchased it for 20 buks more than i just gave for it 20 minutes before.they did have some nice long barrel ones for around 100 buks but only one of them was nice as i wanted. it was gone when i went back.

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Re: Mosin questions
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 02:00:30 PM »
I see that Gander Mountain has them curently for $99 with all accessories.  I am looking for a good excuse to get one!

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Re: Mosin questions
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2011, 03:45:18 AM »
I see that Gander Mountain has them curently for $99 with all accessories.  I am looking for a good excuse to get one!

  Isn't the fact that you get a working, powerful firearm for a hunred bucks excuse enough?
 
  Another thought for the OP.  Not all bayonets fit all the guns.  the 91-30s had their bayos fitted to them.  If you go to a gun show that is a point you may want to check.  If you find a rifle that is in great shape, non counterbored barrel, all that stuff and the only thing wrong is the bayonet not locking on well, it's not too hard to fit it yourself.  On the other hand, two rifles in otherwise equal shape but one locks up and the other doesn't..... Anyway, it's a point you may not check if it wasn't brought up so I'm throwing it out for all to know.
 
  Another point.  The 91-30s have two types of receivers.  "hex" and "round".  Looking at them from the top, you will see immediatley what I mean.  There is no difference in shootability or reliability.  They switched from hex to round sometime in the '20s.  Hex receiver guns are a little more desirable and worth a few bucks more.  Key here is a few bucks more, not twice as much.
 
  There are some pre 1898 Mosins.  Being made pre '98 means that a 4473 FFL transfer isn't required.  That drives the price up because of guys who think it's a big deal to get a moldy oldie that "They" don't know about.  Whatever.  IMO, "They" know all they want about us all. I buy guns and "They" know it and I don't care.  I doubt "They" get all hot and bothered when somebody picks up an old military bolt action.  Anyway, if it's pre '98 expect to pay a little more and should you sell it down the road, you get to charge more.
 
  The manufactre dates you see on the shank are not the receiver dates, they are barrel dates.  Guns sold as "1942 Manufature" may be much older.  The receiver date is on the underside of the receiver near the trigger.  You have to take the stock off.  You'll see guns from WWI and earlier were rebarreled for WWII.  Thus explaining for the "Hex Receiver '40" guns.  Like a lot of military rifles these may have been arsenal reworked.  Some many times.  There are bunches of little stamps that can be decoded to tell you some of the rifle's life story.  A whole hyrogliphic language of it's own.
 
  The Finns captured and refurbed a bunch of Mosins (and made some themselves).  They made a trigger improvement that is really quite nice.  It's a roller that smooths the trigger to sear contact and a tiny little spring to give the trigger a return.  Much more shootable.  They also rebarreled most of theirs with better barrels than the Ruskies used.  Finns cost more and many swear are worth it.  Your mileage may varry.
 
  That's all the pointers I can think of right now.  Any questions, feel free to contact me.  I'm no expert on the Mosin Nagants, but I'll tell you what I can.

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Re: Mosin questions
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 02:10:58 PM »
That's great info JL, thanks a bunch.
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