Conservatives on Abortion vs Divorce: honest conviction, or cowardice?

[Swampman]

You make a very valid point, Shootall !
 
  ...And let's not forget the "redemption" which Rahab experienced.  She so changed her life that her name is found in those  of the earthly genealogy of our Lord Jesus  !

She didn't change a thing.  She was always in that genealogy....predestined.

[XD40SC]

Sin is sin...one is as bad as another.  In fact everything we do is a sin.  God cannot even look at us except through the blood.

I'm predistined to disagree with you. I'm also predestined to know that your predestined not to change your mind.

[Swampman]

It's not my view point.  It's God's.  You aren't disagreeing with me.

[Cabin4]

If predestination was trure, then no one could disagree with you.

[XD40SC]

Question: "What is hyper-Calvinism and is it biblical?"

Answer: A simple and general definition is this: hyper-Calvinism is the belief that God saves the elect through His sovereign will with little or no use of the methods of bringing about salvation (such as evangelism, preaching, and prayer for the lost). To an unbiblical fault, the hyper-Calvinist over-emphasizes God's sovereignty and under-emphasizes man's responsibility in the work of salvation.

An obvious ramification of this is that the hyper-Calvinist has little, if any, desire to evangelize the lost. Or, if he does, he will not attempt to persuade the unbeliever to faith. Most churches or denominations that hold to hyper-Calvinistic theology are marked by fatalism, coldness, and a lack of assurance of faith. There is little emphasis upon God's love for the lost and His own people but rather an unbiblical and destructive emphasis upon God's sovereignty, His election of the saved, and His wrath for the lost. The gospel of the hyper-Calvinist is a declaration of God's salvation of the elect and His damnation of the lost.

The Bible clearly teaches that God is sovereign over the entire universe (Daniel 4:34-35), including the salvation of men (Ephesians 1:3-12). But in God's sovereignty, the Bible emphasizes that His motivation for saving the lost is love (Ephesians 1:4-5, John 3:16, 1 John 4:9-10) and that God's means of saving the lost is the proclamation of His Word (Romans 10:14-15). The Bible also declares that the Christian is to be passionate and determined in his/her sharing with unbelievers; as ambassadors for Christ, we are to "beg" people to be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:20-21).

The above facts fly in the face of hyper-Calvinism and show it to be an unbiblical and destructive understanding of the sovereignty of God and His Word. A fabulous online article regarding this issue is by Phillip Johnson and is found at - http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/hypercal.htm. Johnson defines and describes hyper-Calvinism, refutes it and recommends several other resources for study.

[ironglow]

Question: "What is hyper-Calvinism and is it biblical?"

Answer: A simple and general definition is this: hyper-Calvinism is the belief that God saves the elect through His sovereign will with little or no use of the methods of bringing about salvation (such as evangelism, preaching, and prayer for the lost). To an unbiblical fault, the hyper-Calvinist over-emphasizes God's sovereignty and under-emphasizes man's responsibility in the work of salvation.

An obvious ramification of this is that the hyper-Calvinist has little, if any, desire to evangelize the lost. Or, if he does, he will not attempt to persuade the unbeliever to faith. Most churches or denominations that hold to hyper-Calvinistic theology are marked by fatalism, coldness, and a lack of assurance of faith. There is little emphasis upon God's love for the lost and His own people but rather an unbiblical and destructive emphasis upon God's sovereignty, His election of the saved, and His wrath for the lost. The gospel of the hyper-Calvinist is a declaration of God's salvation of the elect and His damnation of the lost.

The Bible clearly teaches that God is sovereign over the entire universe (Daniel 4:34-35), including the salvation of men (Ephesians 1:3-12). But in God's sovereignty, the Bible emphasizes that His motivation for saving the lost is love (Ephesians 1:4-5, John 3:16, 1 John 4:9-10) and that God's means of saving the lost is the proclamation of His Word (Romans 10:14-15). The Bible also declares that the Christian is to be passionate and determined in his/her sharing with unbelievers; as ambassadors for Christ, we are to "beg" people to be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:20-21).

The above facts fly in the face of hyper-Calvinism and show it to be an unbiblical and destructive understanding of the sovereignty of God and His Word. A fabulous online article regarding this issue is by Phillip Johnson and is found at - http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/hypercal.htm. Johnson defines and describes hyper-Calvinism, refutes it and recommends several other resources for study.

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  Good points XD40;
       That type of theology is termed "fatalism" and is bound to be heartless, cold and unfeeling..
 
  If hyper-Calvinism were true, there would be no point in God giving us the Bible; which speaks of saving the sinner, seeking the lost..and the great commission, which says "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature" !
  Now, why would God tell us to do that, if everything is as settled as the hyper-Calvinists say ?

[SHOOTALL]

Sounds like a lazy christian . I care about me and to hell with the rest .

[Swampman]

I gotta go with Jesus on this one.
18Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

[Lost Farmboy]

Sounds like a lazy christian . I care about me and to hell with the rest .

 
+ 1
 
Jesus said,”go out and preach the gospel to all nations”.

[Swampman]

He didn't say that to us.   We can't save anyone.  If they are his children, they can't be lost.

[ironglow]

  For those who do believe the Bible;
       Nobody other than Jesus was born a "child of God".  We are however, his creation (creatures)...that's why He said we are to "preach the gospel to every creature".  Obviously, we wouldn't be preaching to gnats & cats !
   If we are saved however, we have taken the opportunity to BECOME a "child of God"..
 
   
King James Bible
 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name":
 
                                                                                                                              (John 1:12)

[Swampman]

Only the elect can receive him.  The non-elect don't even have a place to receive him.

[SHOOTALL]

Out of couriosity what are you ? and what makes you sure you are correct ?

[Swampman]

A Christian....The Bible.......

[XD40SC]

Were parables sins? They were examples that never happened?

[Swampman]

They happened....they are still happening.