Author Topic: running out of elevation (Read 788 times)

bukfevr · « **on:** January 08, 2004, 06:48:24 AM »

I am curious about this so here goes....I have read so many posts about people running out of elevation on their scopes when sighting in the Encore. This applies to the muzzleloader barrels as well as the CF barrels. Here's the part that I wonder about...The Encore and the Omega both use the same scope base, but I've personally never read a post where there's any problem like this on Omegas. How can this problem be limited to the Encores when the Omegas use the same base. The posts also mention use of various scope rings, so it's not just one kind of rings causing it. Lots of people blame the tapered barrel?? Isn't the Omega barrel tapered?

My Encore 209x50 sighted in at 50 yards with minimal scope adjustment with Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40 in medium Warne Maxima rings.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2004, 10:26:11 AM »

Neither the 209 x 50 (or 45) Encore or Omega barrels are tapered.

All I can say is that was no problem for me with a 209 x 45, 209 x 50, factory Encore .308 barrel, or an Omega. As to Encores specifically, you might get more answers from the Encore / Contender forum here.

bukfevr · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2004, 10:37:40 AM »

Well, not really tapered, but the front of the base does have a gap between it and the barrel. Do Omegas have the gap? I hear that the gap is more pronounced in the standard CF Encore barrels versus the bull barrels or muzzleloading barrel. It doesn't seem to me that the gap would cause this problem, but it gets blamed nevertheless.

209x50 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2004, 11:11:09 AM »

My Encore was 6inches low at 50 1st shot. Elite 3200 firefly in leupold QD rings and bases. No problem with running out of adjustment though. Maybe it has something to do with the front of the base not being secured...only the back ring is close to the mounting screws....I see that there are bases that have entra holes near the front for a more secure mount. Still love my Encore...PR bullets are the greatest..200 Dead Center...love them..

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2004, 11:55:58 AM »

Quote from: bukfevr

Well, not really tapered, but the front of the base does have a gap between it and the barrel.

There is no gap on my Encore blackpowder barrels with Warne Maxima bases. On the .308 barrel, of course there is-- but that has nothing to do with a scope running out of elevation adjustment.

bukfevr · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2004, 12:23:26 PM »

I have the Warne Maxima and Weaver base for my 209x50 barrel and both bases have the gap at the front. :shock: Granted it's a very small one, but it's there.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2004, 12:58:30 PM »

Still the same as before-- it is just no issue for me. I can only guess who is having "problems," but to go out and look for problems that don't exist (that I can see) is just picking the flyshet out of the pepper.

bukfevr · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2004, 01:27:35 PM »

Guess if you will, but I don't have any problem with it, just curious.

Randy wrote:
"There is no gap on my Encore blackpowder barrels with Warne Maxima bases"
"Still the same as before-- it is just no issue for me"

So you're saying there IS a gap on your blackpowder barrel, but it's just no problem. I can see no problem on mine either. I can slide a folded $1 bill about 1" or so back under the base. Doesn't affect shooting though. If there's no taper in the barrel, how is this possible? I thought my barrel might be different from yours if you didn't have the gap. Does the Omega have the same un-tapered barrel with the gap between the base and barrel? Just curiousity...

I sent the Warne base back for a replacement because it rocked on my barrel between the mount holes. When you said you didn't have a gap on yours, I thought maybe the gap was something with my barrel and maybe the base was OK all along. After all, all the Warne reviews say they are great. Still waiting on the replacement.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2004, 03:28:01 PM »

There is no gap on my Encore blackpowder barrels with Warne Maxima bases. That's just the way it is. They hold their zero with Warne QR rings, and there have never been scope issues for me-- ML or centerfire.

bukfevr · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2004, 03:37:36 PM »

Well, I may very well have a problem with the barrel. Maybe the Warne base was just fine after all. The Weaver base also has the gap, but has been holding zero fine with Maxima rings while I wait on the replacement Warne. I guess I'll wait on it to arrive and check things out again. May have to give ole TC a call. Have a goodun', Randy.

TCAS · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2004, 02:27:47 AM »

Try the Burris base. You can use insert rings made of plastic, the top and bottom half of the ring come in various thickness + and - pairs. You can adjust to the ring to use very little of the scopes internal adjustment. I started using them last year and it did correct the elevation problem on my Encore barrels. (both are 45cal)

See Burris signature ring: http://www.burrisoptics.com/rings.html

TCAS