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Offline McInnis

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Dry firing a FA Revolver
« on: November 24, 2011, 03:57:43 AM »
I know it's not recommended. Not only does the owner's manual for my model 97 say to never dry fire on an empty chamber, but it says to only do it using snap caps in a limited manner (although Freedom Arms does sell snap caps on their website).

Does anyone know why this is? I don't own any other center fire rifles or revolvers that the manufacturer warns against dry firing. I haven't been tempted to, as I don't want to risk damaging the finest firearms I'll ever own, but something happened at the range the other day that is making me wonder.

I had been shooting my model 97 and lost track of the rounds fired, and I did fire it on a chamber that held a cartridge that had already been fired. So the firing pin hit a primer that already had a dent in it. Does anyone know if this could cause damage, and if so, why?

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Re: Dry firing a FA Revolver
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2011, 08:32:47 AM »
No the occasional flub up like you describe should not be a problem. Dryfiring apparently causes work hardening of the firing pins, and some break from time to time. Some also break after firing a large number of rounds.
I once talked with Bob Baker and told him I thought I was hearing about broken firing pins too often and that I thought he should investigate. He told me they "get about 5 back a year".

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Re: Dry firing a FA Revolver
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2011, 11:25:01 AM »
I think I'm missing something here.  How does a firing pin work harden from dry firing over an empty chamber?  Just curious.
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Re: Dry firing a FA Revolver
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 12:31:31 PM »
The easiest way to not loose any sleep is to order a spare spring or two and firing pin or two. I am only guessing that the 97 has the replaceable firing pin, but it is easy to see/tell.  You will see a bushing of sorts from the rear that looks like a flat blade screwdriver would twist it out (two insertion points on either side of the firing pin). 
 
If the 97 is like my 83, you can actually dry fire it enough to again not loose a whit of sleep over an occasional hit like you describe.  I have dry fired mine a ton, before I found out this was bad.  And mine is still going strong.  If you want to get real anal with the calipers, measure the depth of the firing pin with no case in place, and do the same with a primer and spent primer.  It would be my guess that without a case (primer) that the pin is bottoming out on the spring which is probably harder on the spring than the pin.  But this might also lead to working of the pin, on the shoulder of the pin.
 
My suggestion is if you have a replaceable pin, buy a spare or two and spring.  Buy some snap caps.  Buy a couple of bolt springs and trigger return springs, and you should then be set for a lifetime of use.  I finally broke a return and bolt spring in my 83 after ten years and countless thousands of rounds.  And I think I broke these from not following the cocking sequence per the manual at times.  Bottom line is that these are not fragile guns.  We tend to treat them as such because of the cost/investment, but they can be used hard. A week of elk and deer hunting in a cowboy style rig last month (worn every moment not sleeping), and my frame and wood grips are gonna need some "love" come spring. This was a bit of a test, and I tried to be careful, but cowboy style rigs can be tough when it comes to vehicles, doors and chairs....
 
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Re: Dry firing a FA Revolver
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 07:16:03 AM »
 I have a FA .475 Linebaugh that I bought used several years ago.  It didn’t appear to have been handled/fired much at all.  I broke a firing pin right at 7,000 rounds.  I had fired 5 rounds, and before ejecting the spent cases, I dry fired twice and the firing pin broke.

I also broke a bolt spring at 12,100 rounds.

I have replaced broken bolt, trigger and hand springs on a M97 in .45 Colt.  I never had a problem with the firing pin on this gun.  This gun has fired at least 20,000 rounds.

I talked with John at Freedom Arms regarding dry firing.  He said that the only thing that it would be damaged is the firing pin.  He said this would happen even with snap caps if dry fired a lot.  I mentioned putting a piece of leather in the frame cutout between the firing pin and the hammer.  He said that would work, but didn’t’ recommend it because of the possibility of shearing off a piece of leather that might fall into the action and cause the gun to lock up.

I have extra firing pins for both M83 and M97s.  Also have some extra internal springs.  For most users, this is probably unnecessary.

If you have any problems or questions regarding FA products, give FA a call.  I’ve always found them to be very friendly and helpful.

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Re: Dry firing a FA Revolver
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2011, 03:05:12 PM »
This was the first time I've posted a question here and I sure appreciate all the thoughtful answers. Good information for sure.